[rapture-me]

God (assuming he exists) helps those who help themselves

Your ignorance is showing. The Bible says just the opposite. The statement the "God helps those that helps themselves" in NOT in the Bible.

[ConsistentLibertarian]

Remind me: The part about the sun orbiting the earth, is that in the Bible?

[David Gould]

Not in the Bible? Excuse me - I know there is no wisdom out there that is not in the Bible. Must remember to throw out all my cooking books and computer manuals...

I am looking at a tree outside my window. How about you pray that it moves a few feet to the right. When that fails, I will get a shovel and dig it up and move it. That should prove two things:

1.) nothing fails like prayer 2.) God helps those who help themselves

[Marysecretary]

In fact, God can't usually help those who help themselves until they come to the end of themselves and realize they can't do it without God's help. How many of us have experienced that truth in our lives? It's essential to living the Christian life.