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To: David Gould
There is a time to live and a time to die-no one lives forever in this mortal form. Babies die. toddlers die, children die, teenagers die, as does people of all ages. 6,000 died in the terrorist attacks at one time, but each died only once and in that way 9-11-01 was no different from any other day. Why turn on God because more than expected died in one place on that day?

I don't know enough about God or eternity to even pretend to claim the wisdom to answer your questions. I can only respect the fact that you were interested enough to ask it. It is unlikely, in my opinion that many of us will ever in this temporal existance, even come close to seeing things through the eyes of our God, who judges, blesses, condemns, rewards, punishes, and exists in a realm that we cannot understand.

In my mind at least, the existance of God is obviuous, as I observe my surroundings upon this earth,I have not a doubt that GOD created- only a complete fool would pretend that all we live among and our selves as well, happened all by accident. Sanity tells us that God did create, and he has the wisdom and expertice to complete his creation. THe very fact that we dare argue with our creator, question the events he allows in our lives, is all the testament we need or deerve to his mercy, love, and patience. God is love and the fact that we still live to question it, is the guarantee thereof.

186 posted on 11/19/2001 5:59:49 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell
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To: F.J. Mitchell
I did not turn on God because of September 11 - I was using September 11 as an example of how insisting that God's will is always done is a bizarre idea. After all, isn't it the doctrine of some Christians that we have free will? Being free, we have the ability to defy God's will - for example, he wants us all saved but that doesn't mean we are all going to be saved. (I understand that Calvinist doctrine denies the premise of free will but that is exactly what I am attacking).

As an atheist, I do not attack God because I do not believe he exists. What I attack are particular concepts of God.

I have a question for all the Christians here: what is prayer supposed to achieve? If everything happens according to God's plan, can God's mind (and therefore his plan) be changed with prayer?

If as an atheist I know what prayer is meant to achieve, maybe you can convince me that it would be a good idea to have in schools. If, however, it can achieve nothing even if God is real, what is the point of having it in schools?

188 posted on 11/19/2001 7:02:58 PM PST by David Gould
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