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To: Cicero; OKCSubmariner; BlueDogDemo; Nita Nupress
Cicero, I'm not real comfortable with Hopsicker (the source of your link in #30) because I think he exaggerates, overstates, and then jumps to conclusions. FE he claims that a local leo (not identified) says that the FBI took all the records of the two flight schools involved in training terrorists PLUS files of the local police. I have no trouble believing that and no trouble believing that they'll hide or destroy everything they took. However, Hopsicker goes on to say:

"They loaded two Ryder trucks right outside that (police station) window, then drove them right onto a C130 military cargo plane at Sarasota airport which flew out with Jeb Bush aboard."

TWO Ryder trucks of records. Jeb Bush himself coming along on the pick up. Uh huh. You gotta be careful of this guy because he can discredit you and the point you're trying to make. Even I find the two rental trucks of files (that's a LOTTA files) and the presence of Jeb B. rather outlandish. Somebody who doesn't have any background on FBI cover-ups will not only tune out anything else you have to say, they'll never take you--or the subject--seriously again. Tell the truth, mix it with XXXX and make sheeple laugh at the truth.

OTOH facts are facts and alleged facts can be verified--such as names. Like Dekker/Dekkers. From your link:

...Rudi Dekkers bought Huffman Aviation, Venice, Florida... Cut to Venice, Florida. Middle of the night. The FBI swarms. Local police do the grunt work. Under bright klieg lights they carry away boxes upon boxes of records from Rudi Dekkers flight school.

Remember Rudi?

"I don't need anything from you, just a check to start flying," said Dekkers, who likened flying lessons to shopping for groceries. "We're just a business."

The next day, the FBI is back again at the Venice Airport, this time down the block at Arne Kruithof’s flight school.

"It's really just coincidence that terrorists chose such a place (as Venice) to be their training ground for the unspeakable," says Venice City Manager George Hunt. Determining whether that statement is true is complicated by the fact that the FBI has confiscated everything in sight looking remotely like evidence. And the FBI isn’t talking.

"The FBI took all our files, everything," said one local law enforcement official, after shaking his head ruefully when we asked if Rudi had any local ‘priors.’ He shrugs. He can’t tell. His files are now All Gone.
...
One way to get some answers, we figured, might be to go to Venice, tucked on the Florida Coast between Tampa and Fort Myers, where the terrorists began their U.S. training, and walk in their footsteps. The terrorist cadre came here to train at two flight schools, each purchased independently by two separate Dutch nationals in 1998.

Some found that a little odd. "One damn Dutch boy too many," muttered one longtime national investigator. Perhaps they were just seeing things. Dutch people are free to buy businesses in the U.S., aren’t they? Even if the companies being bought up are located next door to one another, and both of the supposedly competing Dutch Boys are business partners of a third man, Pascal Schrier? Even if the businesses are shortly thereafter used to train the Bin Laden Air Force... what of it? "We're just a business."

The only explanation offered as to why the terrorists picked Venice has been a vague assertion that flight training in Florida is cheaper than in Europe. Cheaper than Europe, maybe. But is it cheaper than in the Sudan? And even if true it does nothing to answer questions about why, with more than 200 flight schools to choose from in Florida alone, Atta’s deadly pilot cadre from Hamburg began their deadly invasion of the U.S. flight training at adjacent flight schools owned by Dutch nationals in a podunk town in the middle of nowhere. Even the weak "cheaper by the terrorist squadron" explanation breaks down upon closer examination...

Typical training fees for a private pilot’s license are in the $10,000 range. Yet Atta and his sidekick together paid almost $40,000 to Dekker’s Huffman Aviation. Was Dekkers charging double the going rate? The Rudi Dekkers Surcharge. Atta didn’t care. Atta was flush. Atta flashed a Big Roll. ....

OK here's a loose connection of my own. (The difference is I'm not presenting it as known fact, just as something to keep in mind in further developments.) Remember the Islamic Calendar thread with the picture for September showing a plane flaming into NYC? The calendar was distributed in an Islamic school in Almere, Netherlands per the Netherlands de Telegraaf (via NewsMax):

The head of the Islamic school -- Mrs Dekker -- alleged had a large number of calenders in her possession from end May to the start of June, well-informed sources informed De Telegraaf. When confronted with the calender images, she responded in a shocked, startled manner and said "how did you get this" and then shrouded herself in silence when further questioned by journalists.

Dekker isn't the same as Dekkers but it's damn close and it's possible the translator dropped an 's' much as he/she dropped the 'ly' from allegedly. Probably just one more remarkable coincidence, but it sure raises questions about a Dutch/American/ME connection. IMO.

There's a lot more in Cicero's link about Jackson Stephens and about Atta's going on to study flying with our military, but it's mostly supported by comments by a 'local observer' etc. No doubt much truth, but you have to pick it carefully.

100 posted on 11/18/2001 5:51:55 PM PST by Sal
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To: Sal
Thanks for the ping. Bookmarking for reading later since I'm out of time right now. :-(
101 posted on 11/18/2001 6:01:31 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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