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Patrick J. Buchanan: Why the War Party may fail
WorldNetDaily ^ | Friday, November 16, 2001 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:02 PM PST by ouroboros

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To: Otto von Bismark
Get a life PJB . .

What he writes, and you read, is his life.

Until 2004. Then he becomes a public nuisance.

121 posted on 11/16/2001 4:49:07 PM PST by alcuin
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To: Straight Vermonter
No Arab soldiers or support from Arab countries? Actually I believe most of the actual ground combat has been done by the Northern Alliance, which is an Afghan/Muslim force (perhaps not Arab, but certainly Middle Eastern). We would also have a difficult time staging our forces without the assistance of Pakistan, which also has nuclear bombs now.

The idea of attacking Iraq by ourselves ought to give every rational American pause. Can you say "draft"?

122 posted on 11/16/2001 4:50:44 PM PST by Rambro
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To: A. Pole
An amazingly brilliant critique. Thank you.
123 posted on 11/16/2001 6:11:49 PM PST by GROUCHOTWO
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To: A. Pole
Well yes we can never really defeat "evil". But we can(and IMO should) do all in our power to restrain it. And yes I realise that this is getting me close to a Wilsonian outlook, I don't believe we are or should be the worlds policeman. The only reason we are in Afganistan is because who they are harboring.
125 posted on 11/16/2001 7:23:51 PM PST by Valin
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To: Valin
Well yes we can never really defeat "evil". But we can(and IMO should) do all in our power to restrain it.

Yes, but the trick is where the evil is located, or where is the border between good and evil. Puritanism makes people to think that the border separates the elect and the condemned while the traditional insight is that the border goes across EVERY human heart. If we accept the second view then the primary restraining of the evil we will do in ourselves. But if we believe in the first way then most likely we will consider ourselves as being on the side of good and our enemies as evil (them being Irish papists, Indians, Spaniards, Commies, rightwingers, leftists, Serbs, Arabs, Chinese, whomever). This is the fundamental difference.

The true conservatism is based on the continuity, tradition and sound awareness of the complexity of human nature. The post-Puritan break with the tradition and the past is revolutionary, subversive, corruptive and regressive toward the barbarism.

126 posted on 11/16/2001 7:40:25 PM PST by A. Pole
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To: ex-snook
I don't think the neo-con program will result in what's best for Americans. When I say they're in the American tradition, I mean more that they tend to get caught in the traps that American governments have gotten into for a long time: wanting peace and getting drawn into war, wanting freedom for all and ordering other countries around. Some of this was unavoidable in an imperfect world. What's scary about the neo-cons is the enthusiasm they have for getting into those quandries and quagmires.

There's a parallel here in the way that the Leftists of the early 20th century jumped on Wilson's war wagon, because they thought it would bring them more power, the realization of their schemes, and a reorganization of the world.

127 posted on 11/16/2001 8:07:50 PM PST by x
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To: ouroboros
Despite all these people condemning Buchanan, it sure looks like Bush is pretty much following the Buchanan line on all this. Don't widen the war. Keep the troops out. Don't antagonize the Arabs.

Or to paraphrase Teddy Roosevelt: "Talk softly (Powell) and carry a big stick (Rumsfield)."

129 posted on 11/16/2001 8:30:10 PM PST by JoeSchem
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To: Tauzero
You nailed it. But it is not be too late to heed the warnings.

I predict that phase two will take place in the military tribunals. They will be ongoing with a seeming permanence, indicting alot of terrorists and leaders who have supported them. It will put the likes of Hussein into the appropriate venue, a military court. Its purpose will be to showcase would-be terrorists of their ultimate destiny. It will expose the cowardly and cultist nature of these terrorists, and the media play will blast the hero-martyr model that is so effectively used to condition vulnerable populations.

130 posted on 11/16/2001 8:33:39 PM PST by Hostage
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To: connectthedots
Exactly what did you find so disagreeable in Buchanan's assessment of the situation? It seemed like a pretty straight forward, objective appraisal of the situation to me.

When was the last time Buchanan was right about anything?

You are avoiding my question. Again I ask, what did you find so disagreeable in Buchanan's assesment of the situation?

131 posted on 11/16/2001 8:43:29 PM PST by BJungNan
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To: BJungNan
For Bush, it has been a good war that has firmly rooted his presidency in the hearts and minds of Americans. His role has been one any leader would have relished. When terrorists smashed those airliners into the World Trade Center and Pentagon, Americans – from the Hollywood Left to the Old Right – united in rage and resolve to avenge the massacres.

How about this quote to start with? Buchanan acts as if Bush is now happy about the terrorist acts when nothing could be farther from the truth. To make a claim that Bush actually "relishes" his role in the aftermath of the terrorists attacks is evidence that Buchanan is so full of himself that he wishes attacks of this nature would occur if he were President.

The terrorists attacks did not allow Bush to become or make him a leader, the events of September 11, and those earlier in his Presidency, have shown the world just what kind of leader he is.

Buchanan is nothing more than a self-centered egotist of the highest rank who only thinks he knows what's best for the United States and for its individual citizens. He is a socialist, because he wants to control your life and what you can do. The fact that you think you like everything he stands for does not make him any less of a socialist. Like all socialists, he believes thew only reason socialism has failed is because he isn't the one in charge of the country. What arogance!!

Am I afraid to answer the question? Not at all!!

132 posted on 11/16/2001 9:47:20 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: connectthedots
How about this quote to start with? Buchanan acts as if Bush is now happy about the terrorist acts when nothing could be farther from the truth.

I think that may be stretching it just a bit. I don't read into that paragraph what you do, but I will admit it could have been put a little better.

Buchanan is not saying Bush relishes the terrorist attacks. Your point is quite correct, though, when you point out that Bush was a leader before the attacks and the way he has dealt with the attacks has showed the world what a good leader he is. Buchanan should have put as well as you have.

Best Regards!

133 posted on 11/17/2001 1:36:19 AM PST by BJungNan
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To: major-pelham
we'll have a SHOW !

Are you for an Iraqi campaign or against one? I do agree it'd be quite a show.

134 posted on 11/17/2001 1:47:00 AM PST by xzins
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To: Rambro
No Arab soldiers or support from Arab countries? Actually I believe most of the actual ground combat has been done by the Northern Alliance, which is an Afghan/Muslim force (perhaps not Arab, but certainly Middle Eastern). We would also have a difficult time staging our forces without the assistance of Pakistan, which also has nuclear bombs now.

Its time to consult your map. Afghanistan and Pakistan are central Asian countries. The Middle East extends only as far east as Iraq.

135 posted on 11/17/2001 6:30:30 AM PST by Straight Vermonter
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To: Straight Vermonter
Its time to consult your map. Afghanistan and Pakistan are central Asian countries. The Middle East extends only as far east as Iraq.

To be exact the Middle East is where Pakistan is. Syria, Iraq, Israel are in the Near East. "Near East" is the name used in USA before the political correctness, is being used in other countries and is still used as name of the departments in the more prestiguous universities which had power to withstand the pressure and had an ambition to protect their scholarship or tradition.

136 posted on 11/17/2001 8:40:59 AM PST by A. Pole
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To: Straight Vermonter
Actually I consulted my Brittanica atlas, which describes this area as "Eurasia" (however, the "ulitmate authority," my Risk gameboard, places both the "Middle East" and "super" Afghanistan in Asia) (S).

But aren't you being a bit pedantic? My point, supporting PJB's argument that we would have to attack Iraq by ourselves, was that the NA (whatever its etnicity) furnished almost all of the ground forces in Afghanistan. Where do you expect the infantry to come from for your block by block campaign to take Baghdad and kill Sadam (which may be very similiar to the Russian Army's Battle for Berlin in '45)?

137 posted on 11/17/2001 8:51:37 AM PST by Rambro
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To: xzins
Iraq is the logical second step

I've also wondered what the "rulers" of Iran must be thinking while they are watching the pictures coming out of Kabul.

138 posted on 11/17/2001 8:59:15 AM PST by Howlin
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To: ouroboros
Great article. I'm glad Pat's concentrating on his writing instead of running for president. Though I agree with him on almost everything (except free trade), he just doesn't have what it takes to be a polititian.
139 posted on 11/17/2001 10:21:03 AM PST by traditionalist
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To: ouroboros
The death of the West. Isn't this what bin Laundry has bin sayin???, LOL We're still here. Hey Pat, go away.
140 posted on 11/17/2001 10:25:59 AM PST by VRWC For Truth
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