Posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:34 PM PST by stilts
Here's the full exchange from the interview -- it's a lot less scary than the "summaries" that some news organizations have used to mischaracterize it:
BBC: What do you think of the current situation in Afghanistan?Sounds to me like their "big plan" is to pray like hell for Allah to come down and smite us for the Taliban.Omar: You (the BBC) and American puppet radios have created concern. But the current situation in Afghanistan is related to a bigger cause - that is the destruction of America...
BBC: What do you mean by the destruction of America? Do you have a concrete plan to implement this?
Omar: The plan is going ahead and, God willing, it is being implemented. But it is a huge task, which is beyond the will and comprehension of human beings. If God's help is with us, this will happen within a short period of time; keep in mind this prediction.
BBC: Osama Bin Laden has reportedly threatened that he would use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against America. Is your threat related to his?
Omar: This is not a matter of weapons. We are hopeful for God's help. The real matter is the extinction of America. And, God willing, it (America) will fall to the ground.
the sources etc. you described were primarily it . . .IF the sources you described were "only" several dozen and IF THEY TRULY tended to be of the urban legend type beginning to end . . .
I'd have to agree with you.
But even the "urban legend" portion would probably be 100's of different bits and pieces from as many sources of disperate stories yet seemingly from the same chapter or at least near chapters in the same book.
BUT I CONSIDER THE URBAN LEGEND TYPE AND PORTION OF SUCH DATA TO BE A REAL MINORITY OF THE WHOLE . . . MAYBE 5-20%.
The more convincing stuff to me I used to guesstimate at 300+ independent sources; independent stories etc. Now, I'd have to guesstimate it at being more than 3,000 and possibly as many as 10's of thousands. Most of these sources of information have never before experienced receiving such information. Many of them have never told anyone before hearing of something similar from someone else.
Many such individuals are young--maybe 8-12 years old as well as up to 80's and 90's. Most have never experienced such things before. They haven't been preoccupied with the subjects or even thought about the topics before. The information has come unbidden, vividly and often repeatedly. . . for years. . . though seemingly with succeeding years, more and more people experience similar things.
And THAT'S "merely" one very hard to explain type/source of a diversity of information but again, as though from the same book. Let's guesstimate this portion of the overall data stream as around 40-60%.
Then there's the sort of thing reported at least partially on Fox as related at the below URL:
http://www.yowusa.com/Archive/December2000/mexico1/mexico1.htm
I'm in the process of checking it out through old friends in San Diego. But it rings true in my bones. And I HAVE TO ALSO ACCEPT THAT I HAVE FELT "IN MY BONES" AND SPIRIT FOR MORE THAN 28 YEARS THAT ROUGHLY THIS VERY THING WOULD SOMEDAY BE TRUE. Even having felt that way for 28+ years, I was still stunned to read the specific graphic incident descriptions of it.
Let's say that sort of information is around 20-30% of the whole.
Then let's throw in personally related incidents and obseervations from military etc. sorts of people who are known to close friends or relatives. Let's consider the portion of the whole that this sort of information and sources would be around 20-30%. . . many of these stories are told with sweating and maybe tears and shaking wherein the sources are terrified to tell the stories and terrified not to--in some cases--burly men not heretofore terrified of anything.
Add in just the tip of the iceberg--consider that what has been exposed about Bimbo Crusher and Hillfanny to be ONLY THE TIP OF THEIR ICEBERG. . . consider that that sort of information is "only" 5-10% of the whole.
Add in things like The Bible; The Bible Codes; ancient Maya, Hopi and other such documents. Assume that such sources comprise 3-5% of the data stream.
Assume that the number of puzzle pieces is in excess of 1,000,000. Assume that 50-70% of the puzzle pieces are on the table. . . . that there are thousands of clusters of puzzle pieces of varying sizes. But the overall picture's major components are beginning to be clearer than not clear.
Assume that of all the pieces offered as from the above sots of sources (and I think I've forgotten 2-3 of the significant types and sources)--assume that all the pieces fit at least some of the types, colors, forms, outlines of at least significant portions of the pieces already on the table.
And you're going to tell me that all such is "mere" urban legend. I'd have to reply that you have more faith based on less evidence than I can muster.
I'm no longer allowed that kind of "whistling by the graveyard" attitude; that "faith in denying the evidence" toward all I've known and reviewed over the last 30 years.
I also have to face the fact that my sense in my spirit about such things has been far more accurate the last 30 years than it has been inaccurate. . . . particularly when the sense reaches a certain level of intensity.
I can understand your perspective. It is by far the more comfortable one. Part of me comes kicking and screaming to these conclusions, too. And a strong part of me still wants to vainly pretend that such things are still 10-30 years off before they become really daily uncomfortable. But I know better. I think part of you knows better, too. I think one of the reasons you have so much energy behind your incredulity is that there's an even greater energy of terror lurking behind the denial. . . the lurking suspicion, the lurking hunch, the lurking knowledge that THERE ARE TOO MANY PIECES OF THE PUZZLE FROM TOO MANY DIRECTIONS SAYING ESSENTIALLY the SAME things.
You can sort of mentally homogenize all such into a kind of fuzzy, chaotic bunch of stuff much easier to rationalize away if you wish. I don't have that luxury.
It doesn't really matter how many countries China has or hasn't invaded in the past (and the Philippines was not mentioned--witness South China Sea incidents) . . . nor was Indonesia mentioned--I knew personally some of those involved in that effort. China could have a host of reasons arising NOW which motivated her NOW to invade SOONish (1-4 years). History is history. These leaders live in the now. They have their pride, greed, whatever NOW.
Not mentioned anywhere on FR that I'm aware of are the evidently reliable multiple reports of Chinese subs routinely unloading heavy duty missles into Cuba. I think I did see a news blip about China buying some land from the Cubans. . . . obviously just for a Chinese laundry or fast-food take-out.
And the Panama Canal bases are just to sell trinkets and fried rice to tourists going through the canal.
And the most threatening thing that will ever arrive in the thousands of containers at the several COSCO bases on the west coast will be . . . bamboo chopsticks? I wonder how many PLA soldiers a dozen or 4 dozen container ships could haul--with or without containers?
You seem to have a great deal more blind faith in your seeming relatively uninformed state than I'm allowed given all I've seen, heard, read, felt.
What amazes me is--most hereon would supposedly believe what Alamo-Girl has compiled indicting Bimbo Crusher and Shillfanny. But I'm beginning to wonder how many have read how much of that. If you can read at least certain portions of that and pretend that they were not involved in a globalist effort to destroy the US of A as a viable independent nation--then I wonder if you can understand the English or believe any of it at all.
It should not be news of any question that globalism is gaining daily. The daily newspaper and certainly CNN give layers and layers of evidence virtually daily.
The Taliban and Bin Laden are mere tools. Indeed, China, Russia, Bimbo Crusher and the whole lot of globalists are mere tools. The Bible has outlined things clearly enough. A lot of the rest is just detail.
Of course if one would have a fierce need to give God the finger and do strictly and only what one would want to do when one would want to do it, then I guess one would have a big need to continue to disallow certain realities.
Where does your need to question my sanity originate from?
Someone who disagrees with you?
Someone who has a different, though logical criteria for worthy data?
Someone who . . . . what?
Quit changing your story. You had these folks doing "amphibious assault training." Now you have them riding container ships, which are NOT designed for amphibious assaults, and offloading in Long Beach, which is NOT an amphibious assault.
What's your military background? Can you explain what DTLOMS stands for? How many Chinese soldiers would you need to have even a prayer of succeeding in an invasion of the US? How much logistical support would these troops need?
I'm no logistics expert etc.
I'm sure there are a variety of approaches the Chinese will use.
Who was it said something to the effect . . . when all the other possibilities are accounted for, no matter how improbable, what's left, must be the truth.
I suspect getting them to the U.S. and feeding them etc. will not be THAT much of a problem either. . . .that is, if there is any food to be had by anyone.
I believe the degree of complications they have will depend a LOT more on the prayers of those who Love God than it will on conventional wisdom about logistics etc.
I'm still curious how many COSCO container ships it would take to offload say, 1,000,000 PLA soldiers. . . .
I also contend that the depth & breadth of Bimbo Crusher's devastations of our military are not well known.
And are you asserting that items about the Chinese in Cuba and at our Mexican border are myth?
Quix, Sherlock Holmes said that. He's a fictional character. And it's not true, anyway. Usually, when you've eliminated other possibilities, it doesn't mean that something impossible must be true, it just means that there's almost certainly SOMETHING ELSE that you HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF.
Poohbah, God knows the last thing _I_ want to do is come to the aid of somebody else's tin foil theory when I have so many of my own, but why don't you lighten up? Nobody has to provide you with _qualifications_ to speculate in an online forum. Nobody has to meet _your_ requirements before they can speculate about what's happening in the world. You tried this same stupid crap with me.
Container ships is an _interesting_ speculation for getting people from place to place. Who gives a f#ck that they weren't "designed for amphibious operations?" If you're going to fight a war, you win by getting bold and creative. Commercial airplanes weren't designed to fly into office buildings, but they functioned very well in that capacity...
Poohbah -- do you get paid to hang out here and pretend that you can debunk the interesting things people say? Now why would someone want to do that... Hmmmm....
Mark W.
And as for my motives, good sir, I have found over the years that when people spout BS unopposed on any forum, pretty soon the BS is believed before reality is.
BTW, thank you for questioning my integrity--innuendo is typically the last refuge of the scumbag, and it's nice to see your true colors.
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