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To: DCE
GEEEEEEEEZZZZ....

Get a clue. We are going to globalize no matter what anybody does. There are two ways to do this. 1- the socialists way, and the conservative way.

The socialists way is the baloney coming out of the UN and is essentially based on jealousy of the US's incredible success and power- point of the socialists is to run the global trade system to accomplish their "social justice" crap, take away individual rights, and so forth- their "eutopia" is to have the world "governed" by trade agreements that place elitists into power OVER YOU AND I.

The conservative vision for globalization is RAW COMPETITION where each nation has SOVERIEGNTY to do what its culture and people want as far as personal liberties, social programs, etc.. Problem is that if a country aims to be socialists, it won't be as ATTRACTIVE to businesses to locate their and commerce will FLOW TO those nations that have LOW taxes, less ridiculous regulations, and less labor problems. The Socialists hate this with a vengenance. Secondly, most environmental policies like global warming and forest policies are based on politics and NOT ON SCIENCE. If the only way socialists loonies can hold power is create issues that don't exist and they try to impose those issues on a trading partner, the trading partner can ask that nation to prove the science. If the country fails to prove there is a scientific basis for something like restricting US meat in the French market, then the TRADE COURT determines that the silly policy is a trade violation.

Look at Ireland for example- part of the EU, was told by the EU that it would be penalized for having such a TERRIFIC economy and LOWERING TAXES. Ireland told the EU to go f themselves. Ireland is attracting European commerce in droves as a result of a decent business climate with REALISTIC enviro and business regulations. That scares the hell out of the Socialists.

So, we are going to "globalize" now matter how much anyobe protests, and the EU loonies are absolutely pissed that Bush put together the OAS. The EU was hoping to create a FORCED system of Socialist Union, and now the AMERICAS are much more attractive.

Remember in the 1970's and early 80's when US businesses where moving to the pacific rim to take advantage of the cheaper labor costs and less silly regulations?

Commerce will go to where it is welcome and will remain there as long as it is treated nice.

The Socialists vision of glibalization is to make it so that commerce will have no choice but to stay where they are. The conservative vision is to allow commerce to go to where it is welcome and treated well- in other words countries COMPETE to improve their economic well-being. The socialists have the marxists philosophy that economic well being is BAD for people and they want to stop it.

Let's put it this way. Are you scared of FREE trade between California and Nevada? Hardly. Then what's your problem with FREE trade between Mexico and the US, or Canada and the US.

When you have Raw competition, some will be losers and others will be winners in various aspects of it. When it's all over, the countries, LIKE THE UNITED STATES that has regulation after regulation and labor problem after labor problem, it will eventually become apparent to even the Democrats that no matter how hard they try to avoid the reality of it- other countries will protect their environment and labor relations in responsible and fair ways and realistically, and commerce will flow to those nations rather than the United States.

The Socialists HATE FREE TRADE. They want to instead impose their vision of marxism on the rest of the world. The conservatives do not.

That, in a nutshell is what the "battle" about globalization is about. If you insist on being a paranoid about it and remaining ignorant of what is actually being attempted by either camp, you'll find yourself so far behind the curve you won't matter in the debate.

Elect Conservatives and globalization will be no different that the free trade that exists between all 50 of our states. Elect Democrats and you'll see a marxists vision of of the globe- it's that simple.

34 posted on 11/16/2001 1:05:59 PM PST by GotDangGenius
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To: GotDangGenius
Shhhh - The various factions here do not want common sense, facts, or reality to intrude upon their carefully constructed versions of the one true way.
37 posted on 11/16/2001 1:06:09 PM PST by tpaine
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To: GotDangGenius
Well I have to say you "GotDangGenius" in your reply about globalization. It's truly refreshing to see someone express globalization from the conservative viewpoint. I've believed for some time now that there was no way to avoid globalization...we can only hope to use our conservative values and viewpoints to help set the direction our nation takes. We should all count our blessings that GWB apparently sees this aspect too, and has chosen to set that direction in motion. Eventually we'll have to take that path anyway...at least we have a conservative at the lead. Of course, we can all imagine the direction we would be heading now if a socialist were in power.
40 posted on 11/16/2001 1:06:11 PM PST by callisto
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To: GotDangGenius
We don't need a "conservative" vision or plan for globalization. It is not "inevitable". We simply need to be America and the world's markets will come to us, as they have heretofore done. Our liberty, free enterprise and creativity will continue to be the envy and desire of the world if we will simply unfetter it from the socialist and globalist chains we are besetting it with.

We don't need to export our labor, manufacturing, engineering, agriculture, etc. to accomplish this. In fact, doing so is dangerous and lines up with the actual globalization plans of the socialists. In essence, the major cog in their plan is simple ... neutralize America.

If other nations want to emulate us and create their own "free enterprise" ... then great. To do so, they will have to first free their people so that their creativity and desire to achieve is maximized. Either way, let them come here to the "bonanza" market and let them pay a price to do business here. (Meaning they must conform to our standards or go some where else.) There is no place else as lucrative, so my guess is that most would conform if we would simply remove the fetters and insure that the "free trade" is "fair" to the American business/farmer/manufacturer/etc. I don't care if the other people don't think it is fair ... they'll pay the price for admission IMHO.

Just my view after visiting a number of these countries involved with our so called "free trade" and consulting with firms on setting up manufactuiring and engineering business there.

Regards.

42 posted on 11/16/2001 1:06:15 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: GotDangGenius
We do not require disarmament or global governance to accomplish either of the models you've described. Accordingly, I'm not sure why you think you've penned the definitive answer to the concerns expressed.
45 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:06 PM PST by Melinator
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To: GotDangGenius
Hmmm. I've known for years we are in big trouble and I didn't have to read any treaties to find out.
61 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:09 PM PST by babylonian
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