Posted on 11/13/2001 4:31:37 PM PST by DoSomethingAboutIt
Libertarians have taken over the city of Leadville, Colorado.
On November 6, local voters gave registered Libertarians a voting majority on the seven-member Leadville city council. Four council seats are now occupied by Libertarians.
LP Political Director Ron Crickenberger said this is an "historic event" for the Libertarian Party.
"I think it's fantastic that the LP has achieved its goal of taking over a town with Libertarians -- with the support of the voters, of course," he said."This really is the next political step for the party: Going from winning individual offices to winning enough seats to have a working majority."
The four-person Libertarian majority consists of:
* Carol Hill (Ward 1), who defeated an incumbent and another challenger in a three-way race, garnering 48.6% of the vote. Previously, she had unsuccessfully run for city council in 1995 and for Lake County Commissioner in 1996.
* Ken Cary (Ward 2), who registered as a Libertarian just days before the election. Ward won his election with 52% of the vote in a two-way race.
* Joe Swyers (Ward 2), a Libertarian who had already been serving on the council, elected in 1999.
* Lisa Dowdney (Ward 3), who was also elected in 1999 and registered as a Libertarian on November 8, shifting the balance of power to the Libertarian Party.
Leadville city council members are elected for four-year terms in non-partisan races.
"Congratulations to Joe, Carol, Lisa, and Ken!" said Colorado LP Information Director David Bryant. "Thanks to the four of you, Leadville is poised to become the most Libertarian city in America. Way to go!"
With a Libertarian majority, the city will be "very interesting," said Hill, "especially on financial issues. We should get some reasonable budgets and some sensible policies -- we should be able to cut back."
Specifically, Hill said she would like to cut back the activity of the local planning and zoning board --or abolish the board completely -- and stop spending money from city reserve funds.
Although she said she might meet some resistance from the mayor, she said she is able to hold her own in a debate on local issues.
"The key is to redefine the issue at hand so your political opponents don't have you constantly on the defensive," she said. "Don't try to debate on their terms."
The situation in Leadville is a good sign for future local Libertarian candidates, said Crickenberger.
"I expect situations such as this one to become more and more common in the near future," he said. "And the movement of our American communities in a Libertarian direction will inevitably translate to bigger victories down the road."
This is not the first time that Libertarians have had a working majority on a city council, said Crickenberger. That feat was accomplished in the late 1980s in Big Water, Utah.
Located just west of Denver, Leadville has the distinction of being America's highest incorporated city, at a perch of more than 10,000 feet. It has a population of about 2,800 residents.
Hill and Cary will be sworn into office on January 7, 2002.
Wow!!! Snappy comeback!!!!! Have another puff.
If you don't want to answer the questions, nobody is going to make you. You don't have to cower there behind your strawman.
It does help when society has someone putting up some rules for people to live together.
Heck, these people are so high, they don't even know they have neighbors.
Very interesting turn of a phrase for a party that wants government out of our lives.
"Top of the world, ma"!!
Or is it, "king of the mountain"?
To a point yes, just like every game has to have rules. If the game gets to having too many rules, then the game itself becomes pointless, and it becomes a contest to see who can work the rules to his advantage.
But, of course, every law has a moral underpinning. But I ceratinly understand your unwillingness to discuss that.
From the gist of what I have seen, Libertarians want no governmental intrusion into their lives. They want to do what they want to do without regard to rules and regulations.
That's a plausible theory actually. Look at all those who are first to call the cops, CPS etc on their neighbors.... 31 posted on 11/13/01 6:34 PM Pacific by Demidog
While any matter of Aggressive Force would warrant a call to the local coppers, I suspect that if it is simply a matter of a neighbor being rude, crude, disorderly, or just plain ornery, a libertarian might see if he could resolve the situation by calmly, peacefully field-stripping and cleaning his guns in plain view on his front porch... while whistling a happy tune. "Howdy, neighbor!!"
At least, that's the sort of thing I can imagine L. Neil Smith or Robert Heinlein doing.
"An armed society... is a polite society" -- Heinlein
That's a plausible theory actually. Look at all those who are first to call the cops, CPS etc on their neighbors.... 31 posted on 11/13/01 6:34 PM Pacific by Demidog
While any matter of Aggressive Force would warrant a call to the local coppers, I suspect that if it is simply a matter of a neighbor being rude, crude, disorderly, or just plain ornery, a libertarian might see if he could resolve the situation by calmly, peacefully field-stripping and cleaning his guns in plain view on his front porch... while whistling a happy tune. "Howdy, neighbor!!"
At least, that's the sort of thing I can imagine L. Neil Smith or Robert Heinlein doing.
"An armed society... is a polite society" -- Heinlein
Wasn't my turn of phrase.
Not at all. Every law does indeed have it's basis in morality, or at least the morality of those who wrote the law. But once it is codified into law, it's application is done amorally. Moreover, the question becomes wheather society's morality should conform with the law, or wheather the law should conform with society's morality, and is that relationship consistent?
Is smoking marijuana immoral because it's illegal, or is it illegal because it's immoral?
Is abortion legal because it's moral, or is it moral because it's legal?
Are the two always related?
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