NO SIGNS OF ENGINE FAILURE!

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[onedoug]

Fasteners?

[SerpentDove]

>>So far, we have been ahead of even the NTSB in posting here why the original explanation they tried to float did not hold water, literally or figuratively. Whether their explanation was from preconceptions or whether it was meant to soothe those already traumatized, the fact is, they were wrong. Bottom line, if I see something wrong, it doesn't take a tinfoil hat to know it, and No disrespect intended to those who would rather sit back and wait for whatever explanation they finally decide is the *right* one, some of us had/have questions, and we will continue to ask them, whether you make fun of us or not. We aren't asking these questions for YOU. We are asking them for the truth.<<

BRAVO!!! Well said.

[Iwo Jima]

To me, a cockpit conversation which was not "out of the ordinary" was exceedingly "out of the ordinary." Under these circumstances, I would expect any "mechanical failure" or "engine failure" to result in cockpit conversation which was WAY "out of the ordinary."

An "ordinary" cockpit conversation told me that something cataclysmic and irreversible, like a bomb, occurred. Yet, I have seen no evidence of a bomb. But I am not sure what form "bomb evidence" would take.
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[Yankee]

I have no expertise whatsoever in aviation mechanics or theory.

That is why I have to wait for some explanations, and to see how various experts accept and debate those conclusions, before I run off at the mouth.

I'm happy to see that most people on this thread do not suffer from my silly little inhibitions.

It must be wonderful to be the World's foremost expert on every damned thing in life.

I wouldn't know.

Every aviation expert on TV last night and today said that they didn't even want to speculate on the cause without seeing the evidence. But a bunch of armchair geniuses here have solved the case.

[VRWC For Truth]

You are still an idiot.

[dormee]

The report said that the plane was 4 minutes from take off. At the 2 minute mark, the black box recorder indicates they realized the flight was in trouble. Just reporting what the AP said.

[VRWC For Truth]

Stop trying to talk common sense to people who don't have any, LOL

[xm177e2]

Remember this?

[MindBender26]

Can't find manual or internal cockpit picture of 300.

Did find a rather charming Tupolev 204 for sale for $29,000,000.00 US$, and they did offer to take my American Express.....

[John Jamieson]

Administration 14 Cfr Part 39 Airworthiness
Directives; Airbus Model A319, A320, And A321
Series Airplanes
Fednet Government News

Washington, DC, Sep 04, 2001 (FedNet via COMTEX) -- This document proposes the supersedure of an existing airworthiness directive (AD), applicable to certain Airbus Model A319, A320, and A321 series airplanes, that currently requires a one-time ultrasonic inspection to detect disbonding of the skin attachments at the stringers and spars of the vertical stabilizer, and repair, if necessary. For certain airplanes, that AD also requires prior or concurrent modification of the vertical stabilizer to ensure proper reinforcement of its attachment to the skin. This action would require ultrasonic inspections of the subject area, and repair, as necessary. It would also require installation of fasteners to reinforce the bonds to the skin, which would terminate the repetitive inspections. This proposal is prompted by issuance of mandatory continuing airworthiness information by a foreign civil airworthiness authority. The actions specified by the proposed AD are necessary to prevent failure of the bonds of the vertical stabilizer spar boxes to the skin, which could lead to reduced structural integrity of the spar boxes.

DATES: Comments must be received by October 4, 2001.
AGENCY: Federal Aviation Administration, DOT.
ACTION: Notice of proposed rulemaking (NPRM).

[NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh]

You are still an idiot.

And your screen name makes YOU a liar. I'd rather be an idiot, so thank you.

[Criminal Number 18F]

incredible.....after that much damage it still had it's engines and vertical stabilizer upon landing

Actually, it didn't, entirely. One engine failed on final approach because it had eaten so much of that missing metal... of course it was still physically on the plane.

This may come as a shock to you but the stresses that Aloha 243 (the "convertible" 737) experienced were completely different from those that American 587 was under (whatever did happen to it). And -- this is one of the cool things they teach you in engineering school -- items subjected to different stresses will deform or fail in different ways.

While Dan found a couple of examples, it happens that I know a lot more. Check out Lauda 004 over Thailand, May 26, 1991. When you understand the failure sequence there, come on back and say something snide about Dan again. Dan is doing his homework, how about you? Or you can study that failure sequence and come back and ask someone who understands these things. They're here, if you but listen.

While I'm grading your work, you lose points for grammar too. Its is the possessive pronoun you were grasping for in the line I quoted.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

[Map Kernow]

Please stop posting FACTS, it confuses the Tinfoil Hat crowd.

Please stop posting this CLICHE.

Speaking of "facts," how 'bout the fact that there were "no signs of engine failure" so far in the Fl. 587 investigation? Did you read the top of the thread? Confused about what new theory you're going to throw at us "tinfoil hat crowd" "consistent with an explanation that mechanical failure caused the crash of Fl. 587" if your prime "uncontained catastrophic engine failure" theory isn't supported by the evidence?

Want to borrow my tinfoil hat for a second, bub?

[stands2reason]

Well, next time you accuse people of something, you might want to back it up with proof. Since you won't bother this time, may I conclude I am right? Thought so.

[floriduh voter]

I heard 300 to 400 mph when the plane started raining parts. I am Nanc but not John Nance.

[Rome2000]

Bottom line:

In spite of what happened on September 11, only 4% of checked baggage is inspected or x-rayed before it is loaded aboard

Anybody who gets on a plane under these conditions is taking their life in their hands.

While I still fly when I have to, my wife and kid will get on a plane the day all checked bags are x-rayed and inspected and not one day before.

[Steve_Seattle]

"Funny how Freepers so quick to label others with tin foil suddenly scatter when a few bits of truth come out."

We didn't scatter, we just thought it was better to wait for the facts to come out than to engage in unbridled speculation. I don't think most of us were dismissing the possibility of sabotage, we just wanted to wait until the investigators had a chance to do their job.

[Mr.E]

Where are the Tin?? foil .jpg's?

[floriduh voter]

I heard that lots of people were buying lottery tickets yesterday in NY for 587. It'd be interesting to see who bought tickets before the plane crashed? Terrorists have such a wacky sense of humor.