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Voice Recorder Indicates Plane Crash Was Accident
reuters ^ | 11/13/2001 | reuters

Posted on 11/13/2001 4:39:33 AM PST by TLBSHOW

Voice Recorder Indicates Plane Crash Was Accident

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -

U.S. investigators said on Tuesday initial information from the cockpit voice recorder found in the wreckage of an American Airlines plane indicated Monday's crash was an accident and not sabotage. "The cockpit voice recorder is the biggest information that we have and a quick listen to that last evening in Washington showed nothing that would imply any sort of unusual activity in the cockpit other than the accident sequence," said National Transportation Safety Board spokesman George Black.

Speaking on ABC's "Good Morning America" show, Black said there were no unknown voices in the cockpit before Flight 587 crashed, just two minutes after taking off from John F. Kennedy International Airport en route to Santo Domingo in the Dominican Republic.

"There was nothing on the tape that would lead us to believe that it was anything other than an aviation accident," he said, quashing speculation hijackers might have been on board in a repeat of the Sept. 11 aerial attacks on America.

Up to 269 people died in Monday's plane crash in a residential area in the borough of Queens in New York. Of those killed, 251 were passengers and nine were crew on board the plane, while nine people are missing on the ground.

The crash came just two months and one day after two hijacked commercial aircraft were rammed into the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York, killing some 4,300 people. Another hijacked plane crashed into a wing of the Pentagon and a fourth went down in Pennsylvania.

In an interview with NBC's "Today" show, Black said the possibility of sabotage could not be ruled out altogether in the case of the American Airlines flight and that the NTSB was cooperating with the FBI.

"We are not going to exclude that possibility until the investigation goes much further than this but right now there is no evidence (of sabotage)," he added.

Black said the distribution of the wreckage over a wide area, including parts in nearby Jamaica Bay, indicated that there might have been a mechanical problem on the plane before it crashed.

"The distribution of the wreckage is unusual. It indicates pieces were coming off the airplane very shortly after take-off," he said.

"To have pieces in the bay and the two engines not located with the fuselage indicates something went seriously wrong very quickly in the flight," he said.

He said the flight data recorder, which has not been found yet, would provide key information and fill in many of the gaps in the investigation.

Investigators will also be looking very closely at the plane's maintenance records and at who was involved in servicing the aircraft, he said.


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1 posted on 11/13/2001 4:39:33 AM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
Reuters. Take with a grain of salt.
2 posted on 11/13/2001 4:43:01 AM PST by CathyRyan
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To: TLBSHOW
Sorry, but I don't believe Reuters unless it's backed up by a more reputable source. I'm sure the pilot and co-pilot of that plane were going along as usual.....and perhaps there was an explosion on board due to a BOMB......in this case, the voice recorder is of no value! I'm not wearing a tin foil hat, but I think there is more to this story.
3 posted on 11/13/2001 4:45:31 AM PST by ConservativeyetHotChick
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To: TLBSHOW
i wonder if a cockpit voice recorder can pick up the sound of an explosion in the back of the plane. a struggle in the cockpit is not a prerequisite for another strike at us.
4 posted on 11/13/2001 4:47:17 AM PST by mlocher
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To: TLBSHOW
I call this "the Big Lie."

"There was nothing on the tape that would lead us to believe that it was anything other than an aviation accident," he said, quashing speculation hijackers might have been on board in a repeat of the Sept. 11 aerial attacks on America.

They push the assumption that we REALLY believe that terrorists would repeat the performance of 9/11 in exactly the same way. Of course there were no terrorists on board of flight 587, the sabotage could easily have taken place on the ground.

You're right, consider the source (Reuters).

5 posted on 11/13/2001 4:47:51 AM PST by EggsAckley
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To: ConservativeyetHotChick
Speaking on ABC's "Good Morning America" show, Black said there were no unknown voices in the cockpit before Flight 587 crashed, just two minutes after taking off

So? all that proves is that they weren't hijacked, and since they've fortified the doors now, was this ever even suggested by anybody as a possible scenario?

6 posted on 11/13/2001 4:48:31 AM PST by dawn53
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To: ConservativeyetHotChick
I know, doesn't this describe the PERFECT scenario for a bomb going off in the baggage hold or whatever? What is this obsession with not considering a bomb? And no tin-foil on this head, either.
7 posted on 11/13/2001 4:50:29 AM PST by Jhensy
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To: TLBSHOW
re:
"...U.S. investigators said on Tuesday initial information from 
the cockpit
voice recorder found in the wreckage of an 
American Airlines plane indicated Monday's crash was 
an
accident and not sabotage......"

Pilot to co-pilot as on voice recorder tape:

"Oh for crying out loud Charlie, I went and accidentally
pushed the engine eject and tail disconnect button"

8 posted on 11/13/2001 4:51:39 AM PST by Deep_6
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To: TLBSHOW
Very misleading headline by Reuters. No unusual activity heard in the cockpit--the only thing this could rule out is a hijacking.

BTW--has anyone seen a map of the debris field yet? I haven't been able to locate one.

9 posted on 11/13/2001 4:52:20 AM PST by NautiNurse
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To: ConservativeyetHotChick
Yeah, unless the voice recorder says something like, "Wow, what a massive mechanical failure that definitely wasn't a bomb because I see that it says here "not a bomb" on my VDT display" or some such, no unusual noise in the cockpit would indicate a bomb as well as anything else. Keep in mind that until two months ago, the primary airline terrorist modality was a bomb in the luggage. Bad ideas keep coming back.

Can anybody think of any other plane that completely came apart because of a mechanical problem? Except for TWA 800, of course. Them pesky center fuel tanks.... It seems odd to me that a engine disintigration would be powerful enough to knock a wing and tail off the airplane, even at full power.

10 posted on 11/13/2001 4:53:56 AM PST by gridlock
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To: mlocher
In an interview with NBC's "Today" show, Black said the possibility of sabotage could not be ruled out altogether in the case of the American Airlines flight
11 posted on 11/13/2001 4:54:06 AM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: Deep_6
Thanks for my first laugh since the incident.
12 posted on 11/13/2001 4:55:08 AM PST by vrwc54
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To: TLBSHOW
Significant line--"Investigators will also be looking very closely at the plane's maintenance records and at who was involved in servicing the aircraft, he said."

The last part, 'who was involved in servicing the aircraft', seems important to me. A few loosened bolts or odd parts lightly adhered to the inside of an engine could cause major problems in short order.

I'm waiting to hear that it was sabotage.

13 posted on 11/13/2001 4:59:33 AM PST by Marty
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To: Deep_6; vrwc54
Hasn't the PLO or some other group started using bombs that are detonated by calling a cell phone? If so, given the lack of airport security for checked luggage and cargo all someone has to do is send a package or chekc luggage and then make a phone call.
14 posted on 11/13/2001 4:59:50 AM PST by SLB
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To: TLBSHOW
"The distribution of the wreckage is unusual. It indicates pieces were coming off the airplane very shortly after take-off," he said.

Does any one think other than me that "pieces were coming off" is new speak it exploded. Am I nuts or is this the fastest investigation in the history of aviation?

15 posted on 11/13/2001 5:03:30 AM PST by BellStar
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To: EggsAckley
Yes, it seems they are so eager to call this an accident and are trying to rule out a terrorist act just because there doesn't seem to be a hijacking ---like that's the only definition of a terrorist act. And so many people are going to fall for these instant explanations made before an investigation is done that this was just a random accident.
16 posted on 11/13/2001 5:06:57 AM PST by FITZ
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To: EggsAckley
This guy was squirming in his shoes. I believe him like I believe Bill Clinton.

Matt Loser asked Mayor G point blank after one of his repsonses, "then what I hear you saying is that you think this was an accident and that you are ruling out terrorism" Mayor G corrected him saying "I am not ruling anything out at this point."

I personally think this was/is a cover up or at least we are in the initial stages of an attempt to cover this up. If someone in the administration doesn't come out saying this was a terror attack, the media would like nothing better than to expose this administration. Though they didn't have the berries to expose TWA 800 because it would make Slick look bad. Make no mistake. If this was indeed sabotage by Ahmid the Baggage Handler, it will get out with headlines saying the BUSH administration tried to cover it up lied to the people. They tried to throw mud on the admin about when they say the gov't knew about the anthrax,but didn't let the people know.

I just pray we are not playing the usual ugly government game of the people are idiots. It worked for Clintoon it will not work for us.

17 posted on 11/13/2001 5:07:09 AM PST by WestPoint90
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To: SLB
post #14: "Hasn't the PLO or some other group started using bombs that are detonated by calling a cell phone? If so, given the lack of airport security for checked luggage and cargo all someone has to do is send a package or chekc luggage and then make a phone call."

I'm with you, SLB.

18 posted on 11/13/2001 5:08:59 AM PST by spald
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To: TLBSHOW
This has got to be the dumbest thing I've read in quite a while. Because there are no strange voices heard, that means that it wasn't terrorist that caused this crash???

So much for the NTSB's credibility, as if they ever had any.

19 posted on 11/13/2001 5:09:14 AM PST by Double Tap
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To: Jhensy
We have people falling all over themselves to say that this is an accident. George Pataki was right out front spreading disinformation about dumping fuel.

I understand the reluctance to blame this on terrorism when there is no conclusive evidence, but the willingness of everyone to accept the mechanical failure explanation is beyond belief.

With the tail in the bay, one engine in a gas station, one into a house, and the fuselage in a fourth location, I would be hard pressed to come up with a scenario whereby failure of an engine could destroy an aircraft in this manner.

20 posted on 11/13/2001 5:09:56 AM PST by NY.SS-Bar9
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