Voice Recorder Indicates Plane Crash Was Accident

reuters ^ | 11/13/2001 | reuters

[CathyRyan]

Reuters. Take with a grain of salt.

[ConservativeyetHotChick]

Sorry, but I don't believe Reuters unless it's backed up by a more reputable source. I'm sure the pilot and co-pilot of that plane were going along as usual.....and perhaps there was an explosion on board due to a BOMB......in this case, the voice recorder is of no value! I'm not wearing a tin foil hat, but I think there is more to this story.

[mlocher]

i wonder if a cockpit voice recorder can pick up the sound of an explosion in the back of the plane. a struggle in the cockpit is not a prerequisite for another strike at us.

[EggsAckley]

I call this "the Big Lie."

"There was nothing on the tape that would lead us to believe that it was anything other than an aviation accident," he said, quashing speculation hijackers might have been on board in a repeat of the Sept. 11 aerial attacks on America.

They push the assumption that we REALLY believe that terrorists would repeat the performance of 9/11 in exactly the same way. Of course there were no terrorists on board of flight 587, the sabotage could easily have taken place on the ground.

You're right, consider the source (Reuters).

[dawn53]

Speaking on ABC's "Good Morning America" show, Black said there were no unknown voices in the cockpit before Flight 587 crashed, just two minutes after taking off

So? all that proves is that they weren't hijacked, and since they've fortified the doors now, was this ever even suggested by anybody as a possible scenario?

[Jhensy]

I know, doesn't this describe the PERFECT scenario for a bomb going off in the baggage hold or whatever? What is this obsession with not considering a bomb? And no tin-foil on this head, either.

[Deep_6]

re:
"...U.S. investigators said on Tuesday initial information from 
the cockpit voice recorder found in the wreckage of an 
American Airlines plane indicated Monday's crash was 
an accident and not sabotage......"

Pilot to co-pilot as on voice recorder tape:

"Oh for crying out loud Charlie, I went and accidentally
pushed the engine eject and tail disconnect button"

[NautiNurse]

Very misleading headline by Reuters. No unusual activity heard in the cockpit--the only thing this could rule out is a hijacking.

BTW--has anyone seen a map of the debris field yet? I haven't been able to locate one.

[gridlock]

Yeah, unless the voice recorder says something like, "Wow, what a massive mechanical failure that definitely wasn't a bomb because I see that it says here "not a bomb" on my VDT display" or some such, no unusual noise in the cockpit would indicate a bomb as well as anything else. Keep in mind that until two months ago, the primary airline terrorist modality was a bomb in the luggage. Bad ideas keep coming back.

Can anybody think of any other plane that completely came apart because of a mechanical problem? Except for TWA 800, of course. Them pesky center fuel tanks.... It seems odd to me that a engine disintigration would be powerful enough to knock a wing and tail off the airplane, even at full power.

[TLBSHOW]

In an interview with NBC's "Today" show, Black said the possibility of sabotage could not be ruled out altogether in the case of the American Airlines flight

[vrwc54]

Thanks for my first laugh since the incident.

[Marty]

Significant line--"Investigators will also be looking very closely at the plane's maintenance records and at who was involved in servicing the aircraft, he said."

The last part, 'who was involved in servicing the aircraft', seems important to me. A few loosened bolts or odd parts lightly adhered to the inside of an engine could cause major problems in short order.

I'm waiting to hear that it was sabotage.

[SLB]

Hasn't the PLO or some other group started using bombs that are detonated by calling a cell phone? If so, given the lack of airport security for checked luggage and cargo all someone has to do is send a package or chekc luggage and then make a phone call.

[BellStar]

"The distribution of the wreckage is unusual. It indicates pieces were coming off the airplane very shortly after take-off," he said.

Does any one think other than me that "pieces were coming off" is new speak it exploded. Am I nuts or is this the fastest investigation in the history of aviation?

[FITZ]

Yes, it seems they are so eager to call this an accident and are trying to rule out a terrorist act just because there doesn't seem to be a hijacking ---like that's the only definition of a terrorist act. And so many people are going to fall for these instant explanations made before an investigation is done that this was just a random accident.

[WestPoint90]

This guy was squirming in his shoes. I believe him like I believe Bill Clinton.

Matt Loser asked Mayor G point blank after one of his repsonses, "then what I hear you saying is that you think this was an accident and that you are ruling out terrorism" Mayor G corrected him saying "I am not ruling anything out at this point."

I personally think this was/is a cover up or at least we are in the initial stages of an attempt to cover this up. If someone in the administration doesn't come out saying this was a terror attack, the media would like nothing better than to expose this administration. Though they didn't have the berries to expose TWA 800 because it would make Slick look bad. Make no mistake. If this was indeed sabotage by Ahmid the Baggage Handler, it will get out with headlines saying the BUSH administration tried to cover it up lied to the people. They tried to throw mud on the admin about when they say the gov't knew about the anthrax,but didn't let the people know.

I just pray we are not playing the usual ugly government game of the people are idiots. It worked for Clintoon it will not work for us.

[spald]

post #14: "Hasn't the PLO or some other group started using bombs that are detonated by calling a cell phone? If so, given the lack of airport security for checked luggage and cargo all someone has to do is send a package or chekc luggage and then make a phone call."

I'm with you, SLB.

[Double Tap]

This has got to be the dumbest thing I've read in quite a while. Because there are no strange voices heard, that means that it wasn't terrorist that caused this crash???

So much for the NTSB's credibility, as if they ever had any.

[NY.SS-Bar9]

We have people falling all over themselves to say that this is an accident. George Pataki was right out front spreading disinformation about dumping fuel.

I understand the reluctance to blame this on terrorism when there is no conclusive evidence, but the willingness of everyone to accept the mechanical failure explanation is beyond belief.

With the tail in the bay, one engine in a gas station, one into a house, and the fuselage in a fourth location, I would be hard pressed to come up with a scenario whereby failure of an engine could destroy an aircraft in this manner.