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To: alethia
You said:"Being part of the debris didn't seem to bother the hijacking terrorists on 9/11. Could have been a "lucky" shot that allowed with plane to get into the air. Otherwise -- do you really think the sniper would have cared??"

Geez, let's see, a guy wants to take down an airplane. So he goes to a gun store, buys a $4000 firearm, or has one smuggled in at even greater cost, 'cause we all know the Brady Laws wouldn't have allowed him to get one. Then he goes to the end of the runway at JFK, avoiding being seen the whole time, and takes what has GOT to be the luckiest shot in the world. Yep, that's JUST what happened. And he's disappointed because he didn't get his 72 virgins.

Besides, Alethia, if you had read earlier posts, you would see that the part of being the debris field was NOT the gist of the post. You must read in context. What I was stating was that if you were to make the shot, the engine would have exploded rather quickly, and would have ended up at the end of the runway somewhere. If you have a problem with this, I'll give you the same assignment that I gave Travis; contact an engineer and see if they can illustrate the part of the engine that would have been hit that would cause catastrophic failure four minutes later.

301 posted on 11/12/2001 5:53:12 PM PST by TheRealLobo
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To: TheRealLobo; harpseal; Squantos; blam; pocat; PatrioticAmerican; patton
Who even said it had to be a $4000 Barrett? That's just one rifle which could do it. And there are much cheaper single shot .50s out there. And seriously, do you think an arab moslem terrorist would have any trouble getting any rifle from an American arab sympathizer? Puh-lease. Getting a rifle would be the easiest part of the operation. Criminals do it every day, using friends and girlfriends.

As far as it taking a lucky shot, you must not shoot rifles much. A 12' diameter engine getting bigger and bigger in your scope as the jet rushed straight toward you down the runway would not present any difficulty. None at all, the shot could be made 10 out of 10 times.

If the "4 minute delay" (?) bothers you so much, (why?) why do you assume a bullet through an engine cannot cause a chain reaction, snipping a fuel line for example, which leads to a fire after a short delay?

As far as MY contacting an engineer etc bla bla bla, sorry, that's not how it works. I postit a hypothesis, YOU need to shoot it down and disprove it. You haven't come close.

I would envision the (hypothetical) runway sniper using a van soundproofed on the inside with cheap foam mattresses. The exact shooting position would be determined in advance so that a shooting chair and rifle rest could be set up inside the van in advance. The shot could be taken through a removed small rear door window. The shooter would drive to his pre-determined road side parking place, get in the chair, and use his 12 or 20 power off-the-shelf scope to observe the jets as they turned into the take off position. Seeing the big twin engine jet with the American Airlines logo, he would have plenty of time to settle in for his one and only shot.

As the jet races down the runway, he holds his crosshairs just above the center of the 12' engine. As the wheels come off the tarmac, he fires.

Even a .30 caliber slug through the engine turbines could cause the massive failure he seeks: even after 1, 2, 3 or 4 or 10 minutes. What does he care?

If the jet lands right on him, he screams "Allah Akbar" with a big grin on his face, and goes to collect his 72 virgins right away.

If the jet crashes beyond him or not at all, he gets back into his driver's seat, and checks his map for the route to Miami International, O'hare, Logan, or Dulles.

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So why do I go to the trouble of pitching this hypothesis? Because even if there was no sniper at the end of the runway at JFK today, there might be next week. The national guardsmen standing around looking scary in the terminals doing nothing but providing pseudo-security PR, should instead be patrolling the airport runway approaches with their M-16A2s, looking for my hypothetical but entirely possible (even likely) snipers.

What are they doing in the terminals anyway? Looking for hidden boxcutters with their X-ray eyes?

315 posted on 11/12/2001 8:12:12 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: TheRealLobo
I did read your earlier posts and certainly have some understanding of what you were getting at. I understand the concept of a debris field.

What are the pro's or con's of where the debris field happens to be? Not having a military background may make me somewhat less knowledgeable -- I don't think I deserve to be taken to task for that. The "read" on the post I responded to led me to ascertain that the sniper wouldn't want to be in the debris field for whatever reason. I concluded that the sniper probably wouldn't care, since he'd be rewarded.

Please educate me as to the debris field information -- or direct me to it on the thread. Thanks -- I always learn something here and I appreciate your response.

362 posted on 11/13/2001 5:33:00 PM PST by alethia
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