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Passenger Plane Crash in Queens NYC!
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Posted on 11/12/2001 5:30:38 AM PST by Attila_the_Hun

AA Passenger plane has crashed in Queens, live video on Fox News... Developing!


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aaflight587; flight587; harbour
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To: Gumption
What about Dingle - Norwood?

Needs to be put in a lock box, along with the Gore re-re-recounts

761 posted on 11/12/2001 9:03:47 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: 5by5
Pilotless flights would be indeed a single point of failure system, just like malicious access to the cockpit is a single point of failure today. However, implementing an ability to override the controls from the ground in an emergency, without routinely flying the planes solely from the ground would have prevented a 9/11 style attack. Since it won't be in everyday use, it can be made as secure as the famous "football" the president shleps around, that would trigger a nuclear war.
762 posted on 11/12/2001 9:04:12 AM PST by annalex
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To: mafree
Just this weekend my family was trying to get me to fly instead of drive for the holiday.

Have a safe fun time anyway. I was just thinking what a nation of thrill seekers we are (myself excluded). Bigger and better roller coasters and white water rafting and enormous mountain climbing...how about "Take a plane for the thrill of a lifetime...you never know if you'll make it or not!" (Have a bud with that.)

763 posted on 11/12/2001 9:04:36 AM PST by Osinski
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Would be tougher to see during the day tho..Flight 800 was at night so one would easily see the missile. Maybe it has do with the fact that thousands of people have been laid off and maintanance of these planes is not what it should be.
764 posted on 11/12/2001 9:05:14 AM PST by culpeper
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Thanks for your input on this CS. I was surprised by the age of the craft.
766 posted on 11/12/2001 9:06:01 AM PST by WRhine
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To: annalex
It doesn't matter if the aircraft are piloted or pilotless if they can be overridden from the ground. You say it would be used on infrequently...but surely the equipment and system would have to be tested regularily. Just because something might have prevented a particular type of attack doesn't mean it should be implemented.

In regards to the security of the football, one of the major elements to is the lack of public knowledge about how it works. Do you seriously think that level of security can be maintained in the civil aircraft fleet?

RE: Pilotless flights would be indeed a single point of failure system, just like malicious access to the cockpit is a single point of failure today. However, implementing an ability to override the controls from the ground in an emergency, without routinely flying the planes solely from the ground would have prevented a 9/11 style attack. Since it won't be in everyday use, it can be made as secure as the famous "football" the president shleps around, that would trigger a nuclear war.

768 posted on 11/12/2001 9:12:11 AM PST by 5by5
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To: Central Scrutiniser
An AA spokesman said this particular aircraft, a -600 series, was delivered new in 1988.
769 posted on 11/12/2001 9:12:12 AM PST by Cooter
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Fox just interviewed a women .. she says the plane hit right behind her house .. she said all she said was that a ball of flames came down .. no plane .. just a fire ball hit the house
770 posted on 11/12/2001 9:12:40 AM PST by Mo1
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To: hillsborofox
Jesse?!!!

Naw, justa 'nother Okie from Muskogee, cool cool kitty from New York City, Elvis from Memphis, Tonto from Toronto, hippie from Olema, spider from Mars, oh, never mind...

771 posted on 11/12/2001 9:12:45 AM PST by Revolting cat!
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Remember the maiden flight of the A320? At an airshow, the fly by wire overcompensated for the pilot, and it crashed into a bunch of trees...

My husband was just telling me about that crash too, trying to keep me from panicking. He's much more inclined to the "accident" theory with this one today, as the Airbus is so hard to control when anything goes wrong.

772 posted on 11/12/2001 9:14:16 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: mafree
"Just this weekend my family was trying to get me to fly instead of drive for the holiday. Wonder what they're saying now.."

I am flying out next month for Christmas to Tennessee and have to take 2 connecting flights. I've never been scared of flying before, but I will be nervous the whole time now.

The funny thing is...I had told them earlier I wanted to go Greyhound instead of fly out and then the next day that incident happened where the passenger slit the driver's throat.

You just never know what could happen. Guess all you can do is have faith and live your life.

773 posted on 11/12/2001 9:19:13 AM PST by Dawntreader
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To: GodBlessUSA
You are correct. I have people living in that area too. Hope everyone you know are safe. Thank you for your post.

Thanks, GBUSA.

I am sure they are fine as they don't live in that particular neighbourhood. But you still worry.
774 posted on 11/12/2001 9:19:34 AM PST by jjbrouwer
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To: Central Scrutiniser
but I'd rather have a professional in the cockpit.

Me too, as long as it is an alive professional, and not the kind that the Taliban sends us.

776 posted on 11/12/2001 9:22:46 AM PST by annalex
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Per MSNBC: 100,000 lbs of jet fuel aboard.......
777 posted on 11/12/2001 9:24:10 AM PST by Merovingian
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To: Nuke'm Glowing
"I don't know, but if my wife's Carribbean vacation gets cancelled because of terrs, I won't worry about the "Arab" problem much longer in this country. She'll go off the deep end and go full auto."

LOL! I send my wife along and they'll probably be able to clean up all central Asia....

The tough thing will be getting them to stop!

NeverGore :^)

778 posted on 11/12/2001 9:24:49 AM PST by nevergore
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To: Central Scrutiniser
American Air said the plane went into service in 1988.
779 posted on 11/12/2001 9:24:51 AM PST by WRhine
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