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Passenger Plane Crash in Queens NYC!
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Posted on 11/12/2001 5:30:38 AM PST by Attila_the_Hun

AA Passenger plane has crashed in Queens, live video on Fox News... Developing!


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aaflight587; flight587; harbour
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To: 5by5
Re: flying planes form the ground

My post to you somehow disappeared; pardon me if this is a repost.

802.1X/RADIUS is a IETF network standard, it is not originated from Microsoft, but XP implements it. So do some network switches (Cisco).

Routing control packets to the right tower along the flight path is, of course, no problem.

601 posted on 11/12/2001 7:11:38 AM PST by annalex
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To: NorseWood
JFK Airport is accepting arrivals.

They'd better not be allowing departures just yet. Anyway, my station is saying that the NY airports are closed.

If we hear shortly that all airports are closed again, I won't be surprised.

602 posted on 11/12/2001 7:11:58 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: concerned about politics
Chelsea said she went to Rockaway to get out of the city and to thank Mike Moran for all his help at the WTC. Plus, she jogged all the way out there. You do realize this is "close" to the Clinton's home, don't you? Real close. At least within 200 miles.
603 posted on 11/12/2001 7:12:00 AM PST by Terry Mross
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To: Mo1
I am sitting here crying and talking to my friend from Queens. I go to Rockaway Beach every summer what a horror looking at those pictures.
604 posted on 11/12/2001 7:12:01 AM PST by areafiftyone
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
If I could get a gender dig in here - the male achilles heel is the tendency to linear, procedural reasoning and boxed thought. Why? its too freaking slow.

Intuition works best in times like these; summing up a scenario from a fast integration of the sensed, the subconsciously sensed, and intellect.

Barring any capability for that, assume the worst, and disprove it. It's a better way to guard.

605 posted on 11/12/2001 7:12:15 AM PST by SarahW
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To: Matchett-PI
Technically, an engine is "on board" an aircraft, depending on how you look at it, and a turbine jet engine failing catastrophically (which has happened before, of course) is pretty much an "explosion."

Awfully confused right now, I suspect the WH should keep its mouth shut if they did, in fact, say anything. But given that they've got the plane and engine on land, a prelimary cause should be found (relatively) soon as aircraft investigations go.

606 posted on 11/12/2001 7:12:17 AM PST by John H K
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To: Kevin Curry
I would feel better if this didn't happen in NYC...it would be more concerting if it happened in Indianapolis or somewhere else.
607 posted on 11/12/2001 7:12:50 AM PST by Benrand
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To: Jethro Tull
Let's not start building walls around America.

Yeah, we wouldn't want to defend ourselves.

Tell me, do you lock the door of your home? Of your office? Of your car? Yet you want your country's doors to remain open and unlocked.

Why do you protect yourself but not your country? Has it occured to you that you are part of your country, and that if something happens to your country, it happens to you?

First unlock all your own doors and leave them open, then you can tell your country to leave its doors unlocked and opened.

608 posted on 11/12/2001 7:12:53 AM PST by JoeSchem
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To: P-Marlowe
If the eyewitnesses are correct about the wing falling off then this was NOT a mechanical failure. The wing is the strongest part of the plane. The fuselage is more likely to fall off the wing. If the wing fell off then it was broken off. This could only be done by a midair collision or a bomb.

Wrong on about four counts.

#1. Early eyewitness testimony is the least reliable evidence in any investigation.

#2. There is no "strongest part of the plane." Each part is designed to do a job, within certain stress and load ranges. The wing SPAR is very strong. It connects the two wings and transfers the load and weight to and from the fuselage to and from the wings.

#3. No wing, or any other part "falls off." Detatchment has a cause. It can be breakage, a lose screw, metal fatigue leading to fracture, etc, airload overload, over loading the aircraft is manouvers, etc. Nothing "falls off." There is a reason for everything.

Fuselages do not fall off wings, nor do wings fall off fuselages. They may seperate and if they do, plane will crash, but there is no "falling off." <#4> There are numerous reasons a wing spar and therefore wing will fail causing total loss of A/C. The disintegration of the first stage impeller disk on an engine, and failure of the containment shroud is the most likely, especiually considering engine placement on Airbus 300.

A midair or bomb are very unlikely causess. They are certainly not the only reason A/C would crash.

609 posted on 11/12/2001 7:12:58 AM PST by MindBender26
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To: Sungirl
Neighbors jolted from their beds as plane crashes into residential area near JFK Airport -AP Breaking News
ROBERT TANNER, AP National Writer
(11-12) 08:09 PST (AP) -- AH: With BC-Plane Crash NEW YORK (AP) -- Neighbors jolted from their beds as a jet crashed near their homes on Monday ran outside with fire extinguishers and garden hoses, trying to fight fires left by debr...
610 posted on 11/12/2001 7:13:09 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: GOPJ
reference AA DC-10 in ORD in 1979.Worn bolts sheared off the engine on take off.200 plus dead.Faulty maintenece procedures was the deteremined cause.
611 posted on 11/12/2001 7:13:40 AM PST by cardinal4
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To: GOPJ
reference AA DC-10 in ORD in 1979.Worn bolts sheared off the engine on take off.200 plus dead.Faulty maintenece procedures was the deteremined cause.
612 posted on 11/12/2001 7:13:57 AM PST by cardinal4
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To: P-Marlowe
If the eyewitnesses are correct about the wing falling off then this was NOT a mechanical failure. The wing is the strongest part of the plane. The fuselage is more likely to fall off the wing. If the wing fell off then it was broken off. This could only be done by a midair collision or a bomb.

Wrong on about four counts.

#1. Early eyewitness testimony is the least reliable evidence in any investigation.

#2. There is no "strongest part of the plane." Each part is designed to do a job, within certain stress and load ranges. The wing SPAR is very strong. It connects the two wings and transfers the load and weight to and from the fuselage to and from the wings.

#3. No wing, or any other part "falls off." Detatchment has a cause. It can be breakage, a lose screw, metal fatigue leading to fracture, etc, airload overload, over loading the aircraft is manouvers, etc. Nothing "falls off." There is a reason for everything.

Fuselages do not fall off wings, nor do wings fall off fuselages. They may seperate and if they do, plane will crash, but there is no "falling off."

#4 There are numerous reasons a wing spar and therefore wing will fail causing total loss of A/C. The disintegration of the first stage impeller disk on an engine, and failure of the containment shroud resulting in foreign object penetration of the wing spar is the most likely, especiually considering engine placement on Airbus 300.

A midair or bomb are very unlikely causess. They are certainly not the only reason A/C would crash.

613 posted on 11/12/2001 7:13:58 AM PST by MindBender26
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As Neil Cavuto says, an explosion doesn't necessarily mean it was a bomb.
614 posted on 11/12/2001 7:14:03 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: GOPJ
reference AA DC-10 in ORD in 1979.Worn bolts sheared off the engine on take off.200 plus dead.Faulty maintenece procedures was the deteremined cause.
615 posted on 11/12/2001 7:14:04 AM PST by cardinal4
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To: Woodman
"Veterans Day holiday today in NYC. All the Kids are home. 8^("

Sorry if I'm being ignorant, but there is no school on Veterans Day? I thought there was...

616 posted on 11/12/2001 7:14:06 AM PST by Dawntreader
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To: MHGinTN
DD, wouldn't a well fed Pelican sucked into the roters of an engine on an Airbus under strain (as in that infamous turn) cause the motor to disintegrate and send pieces parts into the fusilage and thus tear pieces off of the hide? ...

No pelicans in Jamaica Bay. However, it bears to KIM that this was an old Airbus and it did crash shortly after takeoff. At this point I vote for non-terrorist.

617 posted on 11/12/2001 7:14:06 AM PST by Ada Coddington
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To: steveo
I have a couple of friends who were missionaries in Nepal a few years ago. While in Nepal, they often flew in special STO (short take off and landing) aircraft due to the size of the landing sites.

One such site was carved into a mountain side. Upon landing, the pilot immediately hits the brakes to avoid hitting the mountain side.

For takeoff, they pushed the aircraft backwards against the mountainside and revved the engines to their max while holding the brakes. At the last possible second, the brakes are released and the craft heads for the edge where it falls off downward in a steep dive to acquire enough speed for lift after which it then levels out and begins climbing to avoid the surrounding mountains.

It requires a LOT of faith to be a missionary considering the risks they are exposed to. Ignorant people often consider missionaries/preacher/evangelists as being somewhat less than brave, but that doesn't reflect the reality of their commitment.

I was once in a plane that hit one of those legendary clear air turbulances. During that incident, I had to reach down and pull myself back into the seat because I was floating in the air. Afterwards, the pilot announced that the plane dropped 2000 feet from the encounter.

I'd hate to experience a drop like that every time I took off in a plane. It would definately fill me with fear knowing that I was going to experience the equivilent of a parachuteless free fall.

It took twenty five years before I got on a plane again, and to make matters worse, it was on a business trip to New York that I couldn't avoid and it was on the day after the Challenger explosion.

618 posted on 11/12/2001 7:14:19 AM PST by dglang
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To: lds23
Any interesting action in put options for airlines, the insurance industry, etc. in recent days?
619 posted on 11/12/2001 7:14:19 AM PST by aristeides
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To: Mo1
Fox says that President Bush is saying that the FBI says they believe there was a bomb on board.

Perhaps we had a 'Sky Marshall' onboard and he was able to report in before the crash, indicating an explosion and/or more.

620 posted on 11/12/2001 7:14:27 AM PST by RCW2001
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