Posted on 11/10/2001 4:44:11 PM PST by Pokey78
First of all how is that distinguished from all other combusted fuels?
Most of which? Alright then lets look at those which produce more energy than they produce. Let's begin with Aluminum Fuel Cells. Unless you have something else you'd rather we look into.
Until, some time in the not too distant future when the supply of "friendly oil" is running out and the price of "cheap oil" is $300.00 per barrel and then -- when we are most seriously disadvantaged by those facts -- and they are most empowered by them -- we will go to them for the oil by whose use we maintain Our FRaternal Republic and grease the wheels of Human Civilization!
Or we continue to piss in their pockets now and squeeze every last drop of their "unfriendly oil" out of their stinking shitholes while it is "cheap" -- and save ours -- and all of the world's other "friendly oil" until the $300.00 per barrel accrues only to us -- and to our friends?
It takes large amounts of electricity to refine aluminum. The energy for the necessary, highly-purified water doesn't come cheap either. That's why it costs $900 per kilowatt, even for a stationary system (the current goal is $800). Oh, and go get that copper mine and how about the rare-earths for the magnets? (Then there's the $50,000 baseline for a car. I guess you just don't care that much about the little people, they can ride mass transit into their sustainable development hell-holes.) I don't think you are going to get a lot of takers unless gasoline is far more expensive and the system far more developed (which is of course what the people who are pushing both simultaneously want). The alum-air portable power packs currently in development are perhaps a good application.
I think you'll see cars and rural stationary electric generation running off propane fuel cells first, and that is with platinum catylists. Propane has higher energy density and is much safer to transport and store. It has existing distribution. Ballard has a long head start and a lot of backing from the same pack of crooks. BTW, where are you going to mine all that bauxite, copper, and rare-earth minerals? Russia? China? Where? Our mines have been shut down by those self-same RICOnuts, unless the owners are Europeans.
IMO, the ONLY reason you will see such technologies is that the crooks in charge of manipulating the body politic make more money on them. They could never compete with nuclear on cost unless the lawyers they have in their pay were making it uneconomic. To justify those alternatives they had to make electrical power a LOT more expensive because the industry kept finding all that nasty oil and prices were too low for their taste. Hence the California Power Crisis, and yes, it was the same batch of clowns that made it happen. As a result, $900/KW is starting to look like something less than a complete boondoggle. Have you ever wondered why John Bryson was running SCE?
And what about recycled aluminum? Given the present percentage of recycled aluminum verses newly refined aluminum in use today (and their respective costs of producion)? And the over all costs of of either concerning our present conversation.
we need to become closer friends with russia and forget the BS talk from the war party. we need to rely more on russian oil than arab oil!!!
Would that be a fully functioning pipeline?
But this is another armchair war...
Because it will take a government investment of $1 trillion and the oil interests won't let that happen.
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HAMILTON, Bermuda--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Nov. 5, 2001--Foster Wheeler Ltd. (NYSE: FWC) announced that its subsidiaries in the United Kingdom and Nigeria have been awarded a $20 million, front-end engineering and design (FEED) contract, by Chevron Nigeria Ltd (CNL) for a gas-to-liquids (GTL) project.
Chevron Nigeria Ltd is a joint venture of Chevron and the Nigeria National Petroleum Corporation.
Foster Wheeler will be responsible for the FEED and the preparation of the invitation to tender for the engineering, procurement and construction (EPC) contract. The scope of work also includes the issue of inquiry for long-lead equipment items, preparation of project estimates and assistance for early works activities.
The GTL plant is a major natural gas initiative by project asset owners CNL and will be built in Escravos, Nigeria. It provides significant environmental benefits by eliminating the flaring of natural gas and instead converting it to produce ultraclean GTL fuel.
The plant will produce 34,000 bpd of premium quality GTL fuel (synthetic fuel suitable for diesel engines) and naphtha products.
The plant is the first of its kind to utilize the Sasol Slurry Phase Distillate process, a new technology for a gas-to-liquids plant. The technology optimally integrates three state-of-the-art GTL technologies from Haldor Topsoe, Sasol and Chevron to produce GTL fuel and chemical naphtha for export. This process is a commercially proven proprietary Sasol technology for converting natural gas into liquid hydrocarbon in three steps.
Ian Bill, chairman and chief executive, Foster Wheeler Energy Limited, said, "This project will use the leading application of GTL technology. It has global significance because the eradication of gas flaring will produce significant benefits for the environment and local community."
Foster Wheeler Awarded Contract for Gas-To-Liquids Project in Qatar
SYNTROLEUM, ADVANTAGE AND ENAP TO PURSUE GAS-TO-LIQUIDS PROJECT IN CHILE
...Santiago, Chili ¾ Syntroleum Corporation (Nasdaq: SYNM) announced today that it has signed an agreement with Empresa Nacionál del Petroleo (ENAP), the national oil company of Chile, and Advantage Resources International, headquartered in Denver, Colorado to conduct a project assessment study for a 10,000 barrel per day synthetic fuels plant to be located at the ENAP-owned Cabo Negro Industrial Park near Punta Arenas, Chile. The proposed project would utilize currently available natural gas delivered by pipeline from fields in Argentina and Chile..... Deal to put one in Alaska
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