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Can We Do Without Saudi Oil?
The Weekly Standard ^ | 11/19/2001 | Irwin M. Stelzer

Posted on 11/10/2001 4:44:11 PM PST by Pokey78

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To: Pokey78
Can We Do Without Saudi Oil?

I dunno.

Can we do without wasting energy?

41 posted on 11/10/2001 6:45:19 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: monkeyshine
Venezuela is a new problem child. Run by a Castro sympathizing, communist sympathizing dictator named Hugo Chavez. Venezuela doesn't listen to us any more.
42 posted on 11/10/2001 6:49:01 PM PST by dennisw
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To: N00dleN0gg1n
What would our situation look like if 100% of our oil went into transportaion?

Nearly impossible. Our manufacturing base depends on oil (all machinery does), not to mention plastics.

43 posted on 11/10/2001 6:49:27 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Pokey78
Alas, Yes...

I don't know where these people are getting their information, but the American Petroleum Institute says the United States has about a 70 year domestic oil reserve, and proven reserves of American oil are increasing each year, not declining. North America, including Canada and Mexico, has about a 200 year oil reserve. This war is about terrorism, not oil.

The world now has about an 805 year oil supply.

American Petroleum Institute.

For the webTVers:

http://www.api.org/edu/factsoil.htm

44 posted on 11/10/2001 6:50:02 PM PST by Terrorista Nada
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To: l33t
It would still take years to build all the new nuclear reactors and meanwhile we'd be depended on Saudi oil.

You are quite right in that it would take years to build the reactors, even if we could put off the RICOnuts with charges of sedition (because so many are communists) or better yet, treason (being largely sponsored by the tax-exempt foundations of oil company wealth). Still, we had better get going with them as it is the only means to prevent us from being caught short without a supply of energy. The little monsters said nukes were too risky. Little did they recognize that using the US military to assure a supply of oil was even more fraught with both danger and global environmental impact (wars are rather destructive to nature).

What I don't understand is why no serious effort has been undertaken to develop the technology to control the nuclear fusion reaction for use in power generation.

This is not correct. Fusion reactors are simply devillishly difficult to do. An enormous amount of money has been spent (especially at Livermore), much of which did more for weapons development than anything else, since the energy production angle was being such a bear.

Nope, fission reactors are proven, reliable, and safe. Fuel reprocessing of the high level waste is performed by every advanced nation with nuclear power... except ours. The environmentalists at the Ford Foundation told Carter that reprocessing was too big a risk of weapons proliferation. He wrote an unconstitutional EO banning the process. What ensued was a waste storage crisis with which the RICOnuts shut down new plant construction.

Guess who made money? Exxon, BP, Shell, Texaco, Mobil, all the oil companies with big operations in the Middle East. Guess who is financing the environmental movemint?

Government is too corruptible to be trusted with managing the environment. There is an alternative.

45 posted on 11/10/2001 6:50:31 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Pokey78
You never know what you can do until you try.
46 posted on 11/10/2001 6:51:37 PM PST by bannie
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To: wcbtinman
You can plan on me just passing the cost right on through to my customers. (trucking co)

Speaking of which, I am rather P.O.'d at UPS. I ship tons of packages through UPS every month. This summer they imposed a 1.5% fuel surcharge back when the prices went up. Now prices are lower than they have been in years, but UPS still imposes that surcharge! Now I hear they are raising rates again in January. What gives?

47 posted on 11/10/2001 6:52:38 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: David
In almost any event, you can plan on $5.00 at the pump in the not far distant future if we are very lucky--$17.50 if we are not.

You base this prediction on what?

48 posted on 11/10/2001 6:53:54 PM PST by rogers21774
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To: Pokey78
I have an idea. How about a photosyntesis process in which sunlight is used to break up water into oxygen and hydrogen. Oxygen get released into the atmosphere and hydrogen is shiped as fuel.

Any car that uses a spark plug engine can be converted for hydrogen use.

49 posted on 11/10/2001 6:54:12 PM PST by doomtrooper99
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To: dennisw
Ok then. Screw Venezuela. Somebody else then.
50 posted on 11/10/2001 6:55:05 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Terrorista Nada
From your link....Where Do U.S. Oil Supplies Come From? Here is a breakdown based on government data for the year 2000:

Supplied Domestically 38.2 % Canada 9.2 % Saudi Arabia 8.0 % Venezuela 7.8 % Mexico 7.0 % Nigeria 4.5 % Iraq* 3.1 % United Kingdom 1.9 % Norway 2.4 % Colombia 1.7% Angola 2.0 % All Other Countries 11.6

51 posted on 11/10/2001 6:58:26 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Pokey78
This oil situation should be turned into a "win-win" situation. First, we waste an enormous amount of fuel driving over long distances to our jobs because the cities are spread out over so much area. This should be thoroughly aired out politically as it will of necessity restrict us in some ways. I recently moved, in part, because of the increasing traffic and time involved. I do not miss it. In my much smaller town I can now go anywhere where I live in 10 minutes or less.

Our vehicles are much too uneconomical. We can do a whole lot better here. The hybrid vehicles are the way to go and we could easily double the fuel mileage with little or nothing in the way of inconvenience.

Our domestic oil policy is absurd. We should probably strive for $5.00 a gallon gasoline price in order to ensure the economic recovery of less available resources. This should be adequate to make that possible. What difference does it make if we pay $5.00 a gallon for gasoline at the pump or pay for it anyway with the costs of terrorism? We still have to pay the bill anyway. The WTC costs will run over $100 billion alone not counting all of the other costs. As Bush said, let's roll!

52 posted on 11/10/2001 7:02:57 PM PST by RichardW
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To: Pokey78
Meanwhile....just keep driving that SUV...and going through plastic like it's - well - plastic.
53 posted on 11/10/2001 7:03:34 PM PST by d4now
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To: monkeyshine
Where oil comes from and where oil exists are not mutually exclusive.
54 posted on 11/10/2001 7:05:14 PM PST by Terrorista Nada
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To: Carry_Okie
You people make me crazy. At the present rate of production ....what do we do with the radioactive waste a year from now? 5 years from now (when there's much more)? What will my grandchildren do? What will their grandchildren do? What will the people do 10,000 years from now - when English, or which ever symbol is designed to signify danger of the waste buried beneath, is no longer recognizable?

And if you haven't thought about it....If, in fact, Bin Laden does have a dirty nukes...where do you think the radioactive material came from? There are safer ways to produce "energy" but of course none of the big oil companies would profit from them so they haven't been a concern.

55 posted on 11/10/2001 7:23:18 PM PST by d4now
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To: monkeyshine
If the Saudis only make up around 10% of the total oil imports to the U.S. why should this be such an issue except for the fact that other Western countries have a greater reliance on Saudi oil? If the U.S. pours $50 billion into the military security for this region the payoff must mean stability in the global economic markets because it doesn't reflect itself in a simple need basis.
56 posted on 11/10/2001 7:26:02 PM PST by Lent
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To: d4now
what do we do with the radioactive waste a year from now?

We drop it on Afganistan so that they can compete with the Russians over who can produce the biggest poppies?

57 posted on 11/10/2001 7:26:07 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Pokey78
Excellent article. The way I see it we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. In time we can solve the oil problem by less reliance on the ME but that is only half of the equation.

Without our money they will still hate us, not to mention the burgeoning population increases in those countries who will continue to seek greener pastures in the west.

58 posted on 11/10/2001 7:27:53 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Lent
Yes you are right. As long as Europe gets the oil they need, we can keep selling them our stuff. Now, we have a trade deficit with Japan, so...
59 posted on 11/10/2001 7:28:52 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Terrorista Nada
The basic problem bring that the world has too much oil?
60 posted on 11/10/2001 7:32:29 PM PST by RobbyS
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