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I think the employment laws must be strict enough to make employers check with the INS and SSA the validity of the documents.

State employment laws? How can they when immigration matters are exclusively a federal concern? All the state does is prohibit "discrimination," reinforcing the EEOC regulations I wrote about above.

This is the way it's done in most states at DMV offices.

In California? I don't remember presenting proof of citizenship on renewal of my license. And illegals are getting licenses here.

Reliance on the INS alone won't work, because the INS may have some chance of success only when the violations aren't on so massive scale as now.

So what would you do? The Constitution makes immigration law and enforcement a Federal matter. The INS and the Feds used to take immigration law seriously. If they ever do so again (and I have my doubts if they ever will), it'll be because the will of the populace is so strident and so insistent about unrestricted immigration that they have to put the enforcement resources in the INS and other Federal agencies to do the job again. But I doubt the PC PW'd American populace is ever going to have the political will to do that. No, we'll just let America become another Lebanon or Yugoslavia before we do that.

State employment laws? How can they when immigration matters are exclusively a federal concern? All the state does is prohibit "discrimination," reinforcing the EEOC regulations I wrote about above.

I didnt' say "state". Federal.

In California? I don't remember presenting proof of citizenship on renewal of my license. And illegals are getting licenses here.

Yes, in California. They may know your status already, but you can call DMV and ask them what documents one needs to bring when applying for a license.

So what would you do? The Constitution makes immigration law and enforcement a Federal matter. The INS and the Feds used to take immigration law seriously.

I agree. But the situation where the INS can raid employers to catch illegals and at the same time the employer can plead ignorance is ridiculous. The law must be such that employers wouldn't WANT to hire illegals and the consequences of their doing so would be grave enough. But the employers must be given the opportunity to easily follow the law by giving them clear procedures and tools how to check legal status.

By the way, the current "non-discriminations" laws work for the illegals in large because the employers don't have a way of ascertaining whether one's documents are fake without getting themselves set up for a "discrimination" charge.

When the legal status check becomes clear and mandatory, there will be no way employers may become the target of the bogus "discrimination" charges.