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To: ReasonedVoice
Explain to me how supporting the removal of gun rights for any law abiding citizen is a conservative cause? Sounds like the American Nazis want part of the Democrat platform- gun control, albeit where the restrictions are only on non-whites. I am glad that you realize that wanting to deprive a group of people of their right to own guns is a Nazi characteristic. You just want it on a larger scale.

But let's look at some other beauties from their 25 points of action, and see if these are the conservative causes you are referring to?

"We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens...

"All citizens shall have equal rights and duties, regardless of class or station..."

"The activities of the individual must not clash within the framework of the community and be for the common good..."

"In view of the enormous personal sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation..."

"We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts)..."

"...the passing of a law instituting profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises..."

"...the creation of a livable wage..."

"...health care be completely revolutionized. We demand an end to the status quo in which people die or rot away from lack of proper treatment due to the failure of their medical coverage, Health Maintenance Organization, or insurance policy.
    We further demand the extensive development of insurance for old age and that prescription drugs be made both affordable and accessible..."

"We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small trades in the placing of state and municipal orders..."

"...ensure all members of the nation receive affordable housing..."

"However, we support the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation when deemed necessary for land illegally acquired, or not administered in accordance with the national welfare..."

"We further demand the abolition of ground rent..."

"The secondary land reform will be to ensure the environmental integrity of the nation is preserved. By setting aside land for national wildlife refuges. By cleaning the urban, agricultural, and hydrographical (water) areas of the nation. By creating legislation regulating the amount of pollution, carbon dioxide, greenhouse gases , and toxins released into the atmosphere. And for the continued research and development of clean burning fuels and energy sources..."

"The state must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education with the aim of opening up to every able and hardworking American the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining advancement..."

"We demand the education of gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the state..."

"We demand absolute religious freedom for all denominations in the State, provided they do not threaten its existence nor offend... feelings [of part of the society]"

"The common good before self-interest..."

"...we demand the creation of a strong central national government for the nation..."

A regular buffet of conservatism right there, eh? Except for being anti-abortion (well, for whites at least) and being pro-gun (except for non-whites), pretty much it is a liberal agenda. Certainly more in common with the Democrat platform than with George W. Bush's.

But they did quote the correct gun statistics, which does put them one up on the Brady Bunch.

You point to a blurb ranting about multiculturalism, yet you change white to black and it sounds exactly like a speech that could have been given by that noted conservative (LOL) Louis Farrahkan.

Your blurb about the Clinton administration sounds like what you can find leftist Ramsey Clark pushing three years ago. His IAC led the trashing of Seattle, protesting America's actions under Clinton.

167 posted on 12/12/2001 2:34:01 PM PST by Hugh Akston
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To: Hugh Akston
You left out the conservative positions:

"...We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Murderers, rapists, pedophiles, common criminals, drug dealers, usurers, profiteers, race traitors, etc. must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race."

"...The curricula of all educational establishments must be brought into line with the requirements of practical life."

"...The state must ensure that the nation?s health standards are raised by protecting mothers, infants, and the unborn. By prohibiting abortion and euthanasia, except in cases of rape, incest, race-mixing, or mental retardation."

"...By creating conditions to make possible the reestablishment of the nuclear family in which the father works while the mother stays at home and takes care of the children..."

"...We demand the right to bear arms for law-abiding citizens."

NOTE - No, they are not taking a liberal stand by establishing gun control for certain citizens. They want every citizen to own guns, just as you do. They don't consider nonwhites to be citizens.

"...We demand the abolition of the mercenary army, the end to the over-use of our military as a ?Meals-on-Wheels? program in foreign lands of no vital interest to our nation."

"...We demand legal warfare on deliberate political mendacity and its dissemination in the press..."

"... We demand the legal prosecution of all those tendencies in art and literature which corrupt our national life, and the suppression of cultural events which violate this demand."

Because Liberals believe in fairness and in reporting the truth, I'm going to do something that you haven't been able to do so far: I'm going to acknowledge that the weight of evidence suggests that the National Socialist Movement has more leftist than rightist positions (see, it's not so hard to do). But we are talking about one organizaition, one which clearly does not represent the views of the other white supremacist groups I catalogued.

Re: the anti-Clinton blurb, let's be a bit realistic here - the tone of that piece is far more likely to be matched on this website than on any liberal website. And you know that. And Ramsey Clark would not have agreed with the post about the liberal social scientist, nor the anti-multiculturalism rant, would he?

Speaking of multiculturalism, I'm glad that you acknowledged, however sarcastically, that Farrakhan's position on that subject coincides in every way with the standard conservative rhetoric. We liberals, on the other hand, distance ourselves from that goofball, because we recognize that America is multicultural, always has been and always will be, and that's one of the beautiful things about the melting pot. It's ironic that conservatives, who claim to respect the past, have forgotten about the multicultural aspects of their own ancestors who brought with them to this great country different customs, different holiday traditions, and different economic models, and, speaking in Gaelic, Italian, German and Zulu, infused them into this country's heritage from their ethnically diverse neighborhoods.

168 posted on 12/13/2001 2:38:33 PM PST by ReasonedVoice
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