[Aquinasfan]

One response by skeptics, for example, is "who created God?" The response improperly presupposes that God is subject to the physical laws of the very universe He created.

Right. See #180.

[Dataman]

Very good (#180). The skeptics do not seem to understand that their "refutation" of the proofs also undermines their own legend of origin.

The current expansion of the universe also gives them a problem. Into what is it expanding. It cannot logically be expanding into nothing since "nothing" is both symbolic and therefore non-existent. The unfortunate materialist who believes only matter and its motion has a problem. Since the universe cannot expand into nothing, it must expand into something. That something is outside the universe. Since there is something outside the universe the logical materialist must abandon his position and the thinking atheist must become an agnostic while he reconsiders his quandary.