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U.S. not considering conscription: Officials deny reports Pentagon will reinstate military draft
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, November 2, 2001 | By Jon Dougherty

Posted on 11/01/2001 9:55:18 PM PST by JohnHuang2

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To: Careful
I have served in the military--voluntarily--and you are right.
21 posted on 11/02/2001 5:47:14 AM PST by alpowolf
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To: JohnHuang2
There are both constitutional and Biblical arguments against the military draft.

Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution authorizes the Congress to maintain an army and a navy. Beyond the regular armed forces, the militia was the principal means conceived to protect the homeland from foreign invasion or domestic insurrection. The aforementioned Section addresses this issue: "To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress."

The question arises as to who would constitute the militia. The Militia Act of 1792 stated that every able bodied, free male should keep a military firearm at their residence. The implication of the statement is that the militia, generally speaking, represents all able-bodied men in the community. Legal scholar Joyce Lee Malcolm, in a 1983 paper, "The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms: The Common Law Tradition," discusses the English common law origin of the militia. "During most of England's history, maintenance of an armed citizenry was neither merely permissive nor cosmetic but essential. Until late in the seventeenth century England had no standing army, and until the nineteenth century no regular police force. The maintenance of order was everyone's business and an armed and active citizenry was written into the system. All able-bodied men between the ages of sixteen and sixty were liable to be summoned to serve on the sheriff's posse to pursue malefactors or to suppress local disorders. For larger scale emergencies, such as invasion or insurrection, a civilian militia was intermittently mustered for military duty."

Clearly all men, within certain age brackets, were considered part of the militia. Fines and punishment were in order for those who refused to participate. However, the general training of the militia and the appointment of offiers were reserved to the states. Alexander Hamilton, in Federalist Paper No. 29, provides insight as to what the Founding Fathers intended. "To oblige the great body of the yeomanry, and of the other classes of the citizens, to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well-regulated militia, would be a real grievance to the people, and a serious public inconvenience and loss. It would form an annual deduction from the productive labor of the country, to an amount which, calculating upon the present numbers of the people, would not fall far short of the whole expense of the civil establishments of all the States."

It would appear that Hamilton and the Framers of the Constitution did not intend for a mass army. Elsewhere in Federalist Paper No. 29, Hamilton notes that if the Framers intended to use the militia as a mass Federal army, the states would not have been given the exclusive power to appoint officers. In addition, the Tenth Amendment reserves those powers not specifically authorized to the Federal government to the states and the people.

The Federal government is not empowered to draft the citizenry for service in the armed forces by the Constitution. That document may not forbid compulsory military service imposed by the states as part of their repective militias.

With respect to Biblical arguments, Exodus 20:15 states: Thou shalt not steal. The question arises as to whether complusory military service is theft. Christian philosopher John Robbins offers these comments; "Two common misconceptions must be eliminated if we are to understand the meaning of this Commandment. First, the Commandment does not refer only to inanimate property. The Hebrew word is used in connection with both property and persons, and in Exodus 21:16 we read of 'manstealing,' i.e., kidnapping, which is a capital crime. This commandment clearly forbids not only the theft of property, but also the removal of innocent persons against their will. The second misconception is that the Ten Commandments, including this one, apply only to private individuals and not to governments. This notion, which has absolutely no foundation in Scripture, illustrates how far we have gone toward deifying government, for it is attributing divine qualities to rulers to say that they in their official (or private) capacities are exempt from the law. The Commandments, as both the Bible and the Westminster Confession say, bind all men without exception. Rulers and governments are commanded not to steal, murder, covet, lie, or do any other act prohibited in the moral law."

The fact that the Federal government, during the War between the States, the two World Wars, and the period from 1948 to 1973 (Korea and Vietnam), maintained a military draft does not make these actions in conformance with the original intent of the Framers of the Constitution, much less a moral act. It is one of but hundreds of activities in which the Federal government engages that clearly contravenes the principles of limited government and liberty upon which America was founded.

22 posted on 11/02/2001 7:24:53 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Careful
that is the same argument the liberals make for community service.

What do you have against community service?

Listen, every able-bodied male enjoys the freedoms of our country, and every one of them should be ready to do what he has to to defend them. Sure, probably conscripts should do strictly stateside duty if possible, to free up the volunteer forces for work abroad. They're obviously going to be better.

While I have no intention of undertaking a military career, I'll go if asked, and those two years out of my life are nothing compared to living in fear of terrorists for the rest of my life.

Besides, don't you remember what Nathan Hale said?

23 posted on 11/02/2001 10:39:02 AM PST by The Old Hoosier
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To: The Old Hoosier
What do you have against community service?

Absolutely nothing. Nor do I have anything against military service; both are fine endeavors. However, I firmly oppose forcing citizens to participate in either at gunpoint; that is the very definition of involuntary servitude.

24 posted on 11/02/2001 10:46:11 AM PST by ThinkDifferent
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To: Wallace T.
Horsesh#t. What do you think it means to "raise" an army?

Conscription is a bad idea unless it is strictly necessary. But it's definitely not a contravention of the Constitution, nor is it an overreach of government. This is one of the few places where government is absolutely necessary -- to provide for the common defense. Even a libertarian would grant that.

25 posted on 11/02/2001 10:49:38 AM PST by The Old Hoosier
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To: The Old Hoosier
The Founding Fathers looked upon the proposed Federal military as a professional body of soldiers. There was considerable mistrust of the existence of a large standing army, based upon the colonial experience with the British Army. Additionally, the Founders had bad memories of Royal Navy press gangs that kidnapped civilian sailors in port cities and impressed them into service on His Majesty's warships. These concerns are reflected in the Constitutional prohibition against soldiers being quartered in civilians' homes and the two year limitation of appropriations for land forces in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution. Combined with the Tenth Amendment limiting Federal powers to those enumerated in the Constitution, it is clear that the original intent of the Framers was not to have compulsory Federal military service.

Under Anglo-American common law, the several states may muster a portion of the militia (all able bodied males, usually between 18 and 60 years old) to active service. This is, in effect, a draft. However, it is a draft that meets Constitutional requirements and respects the limits to Federal power that was intended by the Founding Fathers. The Federal government may then call upon portions of the militias to repel invasions and suppress insurrections, as the Constitution provides.

Those conservatives who are willing to bend the Constitution in the name of foreign policy or right wing social engineering, e.g., to create better social discipline or more manly men, are hypocrites when they object to liberals using the "fearful master" of government to their ends. The ends, even if they are desirable ones, do not justify the means.

26 posted on 11/02/2001 11:41:15 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: ThinkDifferent
Exactly!
27 posted on 11/02/2001 11:59:17 AM PST by Careful
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To: The Old Hoosier
Of course it is better to fight than to live in fear. I, too, would go if asked. Unfortunately, conscription is not 'asking', it is 'telling'. No arguments, no reasoning, no "look, with my computer security skills I am much more valuable to the war effort if I stay here and work", no nothing. Here is your gun, go fight (I am simplifying). The point is, the Consitution does not give the government the power to force an individual to fight. Raise an army? Yes. How? By paying people to become soldiers. Need to raise taxes to do that? Fine, that is the governments job. Can't find enough soldiers at the price you want to pay? Pay more. Can't find soldiers at any price? Maybe you should consider why you are fighting such an unpopular war. The people of this country are free, and that means being free to opt out of fighting and charity work.
28 posted on 11/02/2001 12:09:22 PM PST by Careful
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To: GeronL
"That would make people hate the government"

Sorry, too late.

29 posted on 11/02/2001 12:11:36 PM PST by NC_Libertarian
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To: Tory-Oxonian
I didn't say you couldn't wipe your a**, newbie. I said Generation X and Generation.com need discipline and since they're too selfish to voluntarily serve their nation, they should be subject to the draft. I should have said these two generations are the most worthless in American history. How can I make these "broad generalizations"? Easy. I watch, read, study and listen. I thought Generation X (of which I am a part, by the way) was the biggest waste of oxygen ever until I saw Generation.com come along. Don't like it? Tough. The truth hurts, doesn't it, newbie? How's that for a broad generalization?

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

30 posted on 11/02/2001 1:06:31 PM PST by wku man
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To: wku man
My wise and experienced Freeper, I share somewhat in your views on our generations. But there are others (besides you and me) who are old school Americans, who had parents who actually parented. So don't get too depressed there wku man.

Cheers,

Tory-Oxonian

31 posted on 11/02/2001 2:15:42 PM PST by Tory-Oxonian
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To: max61
I have. How about you?
32 posted on 11/02/2001 2:21:40 PM PST by Diogenez
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To: max61
I have. How about you?
33 posted on 11/02/2001 2:27:38 PM PST by Diogenez
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To: JohnHuang2
Selective Service Registration is the law.
A man who fails to register may, if prosecuted and convicted, face a fine of up to $250,000
and/or a prison term of up to five years.

The law does not apply to women, never has.
34 posted on 11/03/2001 1:39:15 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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