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House rejects creation of federal work force for screening (Airport Security)
StLtoday.com ^ | 11-1-01 | Jim Abrams

Posted on 11/01/2001 4:28:54 PM PST by FairWitness

Edited on 05/11/2004 5:33:17 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: FairWitness
Good Idea Gephardt had. Contract out the Capitol Police! Could certainly contract out some of the functions. Then if they screw up they can be fired!
121 posted on 11/01/2001 6:47:12 PM PST by ItsTheMediaStupid
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To: FairWitness
Hastert, Armey, Delay and Watts are one heck of leadership team! WAY TO GO!!

PS: Ganske needs a challenger for the Iowa Senate GOP nomination.

122 posted on 11/01/2001 6:48:38 PM PST by MAKnight
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To: MamaLucci
Tom Delay should run for Gramm's seat in the Senate, immediately become the Majority leader(optimism) or minority and show the girly-men republicans how to BE men and fight for our conservative values.
123 posted on 11/01/2001 6:49:40 PM PST by 43for8
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To: jojonomo55
". . .speaking for myself, i would feel safer knowing that the screener works for the government than for a company who may be hiring unqualified underpaid people to keep from going bankrupt themselves.

Just cannot understand this reasoning; other than so many post Sept 11 just imagine that 'Federal' 'feels' like a better security blanket.

Have you ever gone to a VA hospital? Dealt with Social Security Administration? Happy with your tax forms? Public schools? How about the FAA; what HAVE they been doing for the past ten years, improving safety for passengers; despite all the warnings? And for that matter, the FBI, who just chose to not believe the handwriting on the wall. . .

How about those 'social services'. . .Welfare, no problems; Federal contracts. . .same. . .protecting children. . .yes, our Government has been there. . .too late smart in most cases.

As for hiring, underqualified, underpaid. . .what does the Government usually do? You want people motivated to work or those motivated by knowledge that it is hell to get them fired - a 'government job' . . .and it will be hell, despite what Gephardt says. More carrots will be offered with every election. . .

Do we not have enough to do, without attempting to arrogantly reinvent the wheel; why cannot we take take advantage of what our European 'neighbors' and the best teacher, Israel. . .has to offer; they have been 'here' and done this' for sure and know what of they speak. They tried and learned. . .and they are warning us, that Federalizing security is a mistake...

Then there is the actual 'security of 'Security'. . .Imagine, spies infiltrating. . .or a 'home grown' spy. . .as a 'bag checker'; piece of cake compared to what they have done in the past operating in our Government. Let's see, how long did it take the FBI to discover Hanson. . .twelve years?

Truth of the matter, our biggest fear should not be privatizing; it should be having any Liberal working in 'security'.

Federal oversight is sufficient; a good balance of Government/Private; with neither holding all the reins; a kind of checks and balances built in. . .

Security being 'secure' in our Government is just plain scary. . .

Come on folks. . .

124 posted on 11/01/2001 7:00:40 PM PST by cricket
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To: 43for8
...immediately become the Majority leader(optimism)

Wow! What a grand dream. I think I'll borrow it. :)
125 posted on 11/01/2001 7:02:21 PM PST by MamaLucci
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To: stryker
instead of immediately having an improved federal force

Immediately? How long do you suppose it would take to recruit and train these wonderfull federal employees? Long enough that taking the time to do the right thing wouldn't change the time that whatever force or arrangements are put in place by enough to matter. Heck we might actually get better trained screeners sooner this way than creating a whole new federal agency/bureauracy.

126 posted on 11/01/2001 7:02:33 PM PST by El Gato
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To: LS
...there was an attachment on this bill that I was not aware of that made the security companies at airports basically free from lawsuits, which was my concern---that due to civil rights laws, they would NOT be able to properly screen, inspect, and if necessary, detain people. With that addendum, I fully support the PRIVATIZED version.

But ONLY if that attachment is in play. If they pass a private bill with no liability protection it is as good as no bill at all.

Are you saying that the attachment frees the private inspection companies from lawsuits if they fail at their purpose or if they are not PC?

I want them to be fully liable if they fail to provide adequate security. You could never attach liability to federal employees or agencies. It always would fall back to those of us who pay taxes. It is exactly this risk of liability that would make them effective.

127 posted on 11/01/2001 7:02:52 PM PST by quizitiveOne
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To: OldFriend
........we want those guys at the airports?

Epitome of integrity and professionalism, ain't they?

128 posted on 11/01/2001 7:05:34 PM PST by MileHi
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To: stryker
A victory for the Republicans; a defeat for the people. Now, instead of immediately having an improved federal force checking luggage, we have to wait for a committee to reconcile the two bills, then a further vote, etc. etc. The patriotic thing to do would have been to swallow a loss for the country and vote for the Senate bill in its entirety, politics and political ideology be damned. At least we could fly safely immediately. Once again, the Republicans prove that they are no better than the Democrats: only in it for themselves, the people be damned.

Why is it, that the nationalize everything socialists, in the Democratic Party, can be called patriotic, for attempting to steal, the freedoms were supposably fighting for. But, the GOP gets blamed for failing to protect the public. It's the infringement, of our right to keep and bear arms, which allowed the highjacking of 4 jets on 9/11, with such pitiful weapons as box cutters, and resulted in the death of thousands. It's the american civilians who are on the front lines this time. And we need the Right to defend ourselves. The terrorist threat should be met by enhancing our freedoms not tearing them away.

129 posted on 11/01/2001 7:08:06 PM PST by Eagle74
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To: FairWitness
only by 4 votes...
130 posted on 11/01/2001 7:13:27 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: PhiKapMom
Does anyone know what was in the Young amendment (to his own bill) that passed as soon as the Democrat bill went down in flames? Was this the "gun in the cockpit" amendment that Neal Knox spoke of in his alert of yesterday? The Senate bill, while more like the Democratic House bill in regards to contract verse federal employee screeners, contained a much stronger provision on allowing pilots and flight engineers to be armed. It mandated that FAA develope and conduct a training course. Current law allows for armed crew, but requires certification by FAA of the training, something they have never done.
131 posted on 11/01/2001 7:13:31 PM PST by El Gato
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To: stryker
instead of immediately having an improved federal force checking luggage, we have to wait for a committee to reconcile the two bills,

No, the slowest thing to do would be to federalize, because we would have to hire a federal workforce and train them, and background checks alone would take three months. If we go for federal oversight, then we can start beefing things up and firing bad apples right away.

The surest measure of the best way to do this is to look to the Europeans and the Israelis. My understanding is that they started with federalization and then realized it was a mistake, and moved to the system that President Bush wants, but it took them years to repair the mess caused by the initial federalization.

132 posted on 11/01/2001 7:13:40 PM PST by patriciaruth
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To: concerned about politics
``My greatest fear is that if it goes to a conference, it never comes out,'' House Democratic leader Dick Gephardt said - - -

"He means he'll pull some partisan politics until someone else dies on a plane so he can blame Bush. Hey, politics first. So what if a few peasants die "for the good of the federal employee union votes."

It was interesting to see the spin on the 10 O'clock news (Channel 5, NBC, St. Louis).
"House minority leader Gephardt suffers setback in his push for airport security"!
As if Gephardt is for airport security and the Republicans are trying to deny it.

If I were writing the headline it would be "President Bush and Republicans win battle in the House for their airport security bill!"

133 posted on 11/01/2001 7:17:43 PM PST by FairWitness
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To: piasa
Bravo, #45!
134 posted on 11/01/2001 7:22:53 PM PST by MadEagle
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To: piasa
Post 45. Wonderful! Bravo! or should it be Brava?
135 posted on 11/01/2001 7:24:55 PM PST by patriciaruth
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To: MadEagle
LOL! Great minds...
136 posted on 11/01/2001 7:26:03 PM PST by patriciaruth
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To: stryker
So you think it's good for the country to have another bunch of Federal bureaucrats that can't be fired? It IS a principle worth fighting for. I'm sorry if you're such a chicken ass you're afraid to get on a plane. Frankly, I'm more fearful of more Federal terrorists hassling me in the airports.

Just let the pilots have guns, and we won't need these goons going through our personal effects and putting their grubby hands on our bodies.

137 posted on 11/01/2001 7:29:36 PM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: jojonomo55
Gee, thank God for the well paid employees in the CIA and the INS; if it wasn't for them, we might have had some planes hijacked and crashed into buildings!!!
138 posted on 11/01/2001 7:35:32 PM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: DLfromthedesert
Another point here. With Federal employees, every taxpayer in the country pays for airport security. With private contractors, passengers pays either through higher ticket prices or through higher airport fees. Personally, I would rather the actual user of the service (the airline passenger) pay the freight rather than pass it off to every Joe and Jane six-pack in the country.
139 posted on 11/01/2001 7:36:11 PM PST by groundhog
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To: VA Advogado
Conservatives for Harkin?


140 posted on 11/01/2001 7:36:58 PM PST by patriciaruth
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