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Nuclear Threat within US Possible (My Title)
FoxNews | October 30, 2001

Posted on 10/30/2001 6:33:30 AM PST by PrivacyChampion

FOX NEWS just reporting that there is a potential risk of a nuclear terrorist attack against the US, maybe within the Continental borders with a 'dirty nuke' that has been smuggled across the Mexican border.

This is the threat that AG Ashcroft warned about yesterday.


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To: PrivacyChampion
Closing of the borders is an essential part of stopping this kind of stuff.

Secondly: A nuclear attack, of any kind, on this nation REQUIRES a retaliatory strike. This would bring us to DEFCON 1. NORAD is in command and at the service of the President of the United States. All nuclear capability is now aimed at the enemy that attacked us. These forces are NOT little dirty bombs, they are weapons of TOTAL destruction for lots of miles, and lots of people.

If the muslim extremists really want to go that far, they have chosen the wrong path to travel, and the wrong man in the Whitehouse to do it to. They have also chosen the wrong people to put the question to. We want to nuke 'em now, you attack us with nuclear weapons and you will "reep the whirlwind". That pretty much would go for "anybody with the terrorists".

We are a people slow to anger, but when attacked, and attacked, and attacked again, on our own beloved soil, and our brothers and sisters being slaughtered, then you have angered the sleeping tiger. This tiger turns into an eagle and he will hunt you and kill you. His talons will destroy you, your land, your family, your neighbors. His citizens will stand together and they will fight, and they will fight like you have never seen people fight before.

If the muslim extremists put the nuclear option into play they will loose everything in about 70 minutes. Don't push THAT option. We have no way to go if they push THAT option. Not that we would care about exercising that option.

241 posted on 10/30/2001 4:30:31 PM PST by timydnuc
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To: financeprof
Never hurts to start stocking up and preparing:

KI4U

242 posted on 10/30/2001 4:40:50 PM PST by GnL
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To: Procyon
Nasty...
243 posted on 10/30/2001 4:46:20 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
Just imagine a small truck or car bomb laced with nuclear waste and you have the essence of the weapon. It could affect the immediate area surrounding the blast and then be carried by air currents (West to East normally) and effect many things/peolpe in it's path. Depending on where it is placed, and how much waste is in the weapon, and how effectively it is packed around the charge, are all contributing factors to the effectiveness of such a device.
244 posted on 10/30/2001 4:53:47 PM PST by databoss
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To: freebilly
No, they will just blame it on some right wing kook
245 posted on 10/30/2001 5:17:29 PM PST by virgil
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To: Thinkin' Gal
What's a dirty nuke?

"I built 'em a shoddy bomb casing and
filled it with used pinball machine parts."

246 posted on 10/30/2001 5:24:16 PM PST by Jeremiah Jr
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To: virgil
That's the problem. Many of us have hard science degrees (or at least hard science credits) and we could have done these things long ago. It's not like Clinton didn't provoke us--he certainly did. But we DID NOT DO IT.

If we didn't do it while a Dem we despised was in the highest office in the land, why'n heck would we do it now, when but for this terrorist stuff we stood to gain back most or all of the ground we lost between '93 and '01? Because we hate abortion (most of us)? We didn't stand in the way with acts of violence when Clinton made HIS judicial appointments; why would we do it now? Because we wanted less government? Golly gee Moses, anthrax attacks have definitely and predictably shot the legs out from under THAT desire. Privacy rights are falling and bureaucracy is rising and we're helpless to prevent it. To bolster Second Amendment rights? Tell that to Aunt Judy who couldn't crochet on her cross-country flight. Good grief, if there is anyone in this country who stands to BENEFIT from what has happened to our country, it's the most extreme liberal whackos.

There are probably two hundred Republicans within a ten minute drive of my house who could construct weapons of mass destruction given two week's notice and a quiet, secluded place to work. Nationwide, there are almost certainly thousands. We didn't do it during the Clinton regime. WHY do the nutcases want to suggest we would do it now??? It makes me crazy. It's a new low for sloppy thinking!
247 posted on 10/30/2001 5:34:14 PM PST by ChemistCat
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To: ChemistCat
I don't suppose your son FReeps?

Not to my knowledge. He's very involved with his children and his church. My kids leave all the political stuff to their parents. Just wait until they have to deal with the public schools -- then they'll get interested in government!

248 posted on 10/30/2001 5:35:52 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Prodigal Daughter
Thanks for the flag, PD.
249 posted on 10/30/2001 5:54:56 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: snopercod
Thanks for the question, I have been meaning to break out my old Radiological Health Handbook to review the protocols for decontaminating a person!

Interesting choice of radionuclides. This is one I wouldn't be that concerned with. Strontium 90 is chemically similar to Calcium and is concentrated in bones. Because of the milk-nusing infant connection, strontium 90 can be a large theoretical danger for milk drinking infants or for small children. The reason is that small children take much more calcium into their bodies for bone building and have much less mass for self shielding and Strontium 90 deposited internally in bones can interfere with bone marrow blood cell production. Now if you assume that folks won't be eating any contaminated food for a while, the path for the strontium 90 to get into the bones disappears.

According to my ancient (1970) copy of Radiological Health handbook, Strontium 90 has a 28.1 year half-life and an activity of 141 Curies per gram. It appears to be a heavy Beta emitter (0.546 MeV) and no direct gamma radiation. There is some heavier beta radiation from daughter decay Y90 to Zr-90 (2.27 MeV). But lets focus on Strontium 90. According to the "Rules of thumb" in the Handbook, "When the beta particles form a 1 curie source of 90 Strontium-Y90 are absorbed, the bremsstrahlung hazard is approximately equal to that presented by the gamma radiation from 12 mg of radium."

When I use to do radiation dose calculation, we figured that if you avoided ingestion, that normal clothing would protect you from virtually all the alpha and most of the beta radiation. Gamma ray protection requires lots of shielding (read that mass) and that is the type of radiation that kills most folks in a traditional nuclear bomb event. Again, if people can leave the contaminated area, aren't forced to eat food grown or contaminated by the nuclear material or water contaminated, they have much reduced danger from nuclear fall out. (In a nuclear war or after long term atmospheric testing this isn't an option.)

If I were to choose isotopes for contamination, I would favor Plutonium as an alpha emitter (real messy to clean up easily as the pultonium can sinter and be moved around by the recoil from the alpha particles) or Cobalt 60 for its gamma rays.

I would rather be lazy and not get out the calculator to determine what 141 Curries per gram is into Curies per pound nor do I relish various shielding design tables. Being lazy, I will look at the transmission through lead of gamma ray tables for radium, cobalt 60, cesium 137, gold 198, iridium 192, tantalum 182 and sodium 24. That table shows that 30 cm of lead will reduce them all by a factor of over 0.0001. This means that a Curie of heavy gamma emitters with 30 cm of lead shielding will be attenuated by over a factor of ten thousand. (For Co60 or Ra, 20 to 22 cm has the same factor of ten thousand, it is the short half life sodium that is the nasty stuff.)

250 posted on 10/30/2001 6:18:49 PM PST by Robert357
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To: Kozak
Again, if you aren't ingesting (eating or drinking) contaminated stuff, you aren't likely to get the radiation deposited in your thyroid. Therefore, you really don't need to flush the thyroid out chemically with idodine.
251 posted on 10/30/2001 6:21:18 PM PST by Robert357
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To: databoss
Then you allow the shortest half-life stuff to decay, you go in and decontaminate a lot of stuff and then you pave-over or burry with a layer of soil the rest for a while until it decays. Or you dig up the surface dirt and truck it off to a low level radioactive waste dump. We are only talking about a few hundred pounds of nuclear waste. Even if it is high level it will either be dilluted to the point it isn't a hazard, or it will be concentrated enough so that it can be dealt with.
252 posted on 10/30/2001 6:25:28 PM PST by Robert357
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To: PrivacyChampion
There was an article over the weekend that told of two Middle Eastern-types who were under a police search in the mountains outside Phoenix area. I just did a search for the article and post, but couldn't find it. Does anyone have this article or know where it's at? It's germaine to this posting, in light of the World Series, etc.

I just pinged you from that thread... check your mail.

253 posted on 10/30/2001 7:21:28 PM PST by Qathleen
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To: Carol-HuTex
You can't keep up with the show without a Guide, so....A "Dirty Nuke" is not an atomic bomb. It is a chunk of radioactive material that is spread around a major high population area by a small explosion.

The idea is to contaminate an area with radioactive materials that will make it uninhabitable until a clean up is done.

Paranoia is the goal, not loss of life.

We're talking about a missile with a radioactive warhead, not a cherry bomb. The "small explosion" you refer to is only small in comparison to an atomic bomb. The impact is still large enough to kill thousands in a heavily populated area, while the fallout would be enough to kill thousands more.

The ensuing hysteria and panic of trying to evacuate a major metro area under such condition would just be icing on the cake for the killers.

Other than all that, your assessment is pretty much dead-on.

254 posted on 10/30/2001 7:31:31 PM PST by WarSlut
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To: PrivacyChampion
If they are using a special detonator it is not a "dirty" bomb' it is the real nuke !!
255 posted on 10/30/2001 7:33:19 PM PST by glf
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To: Poohbah
Then I would hope they are rewiring them in the same cave as OBL when the thing went off.
256 posted on 10/30/2001 7:33:29 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Kakaze
I don't want mine to live through it either, but there are over a billion of those people. This war has been going on for 13 centuries, and, if we're still around, I'll buy you a beer if it is over in the next 13 centuries.
257 posted on 10/30/2001 7:48:44 PM PST by jammer
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To: Captainpaintball
Can you fire a weapon? You can come live with us for a while.
258 posted on 10/30/2001 7:57:02 PM PST by jammer
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To: Mixer
The closest place would be San Antonio.
259 posted on 10/30/2001 8:04:53 PM PST by jammer
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To: jammer
Does anyone have a LINK to any online articles about this?

I heard this story on FoxNews, and presumed that I could learn more online, but have not yet found an article.

260 posted on 10/30/2001 8:16:50 PM PST by meridia
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