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Pakistani fighters flood into Afghanistan
The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 10/29/2001 | Philip Smucker

Posted on 10/28/2001 3:58:11 PM PST by Pokey78

THOUSANDS of Pakistanis wielding guns, rockets, swords and axes streamed across the Afghan border yesterday pledging to fight against America.

Young and old, fit and lame, they carried a dizzying array of arms from 19th-century muskets to modern machineguns.

They collected in the town square of Lagharay in the Bajaur tribal area, about four miles from the border, to hear religious speakers exhort them to do their duty for Islam. "We must protect our brother Muslims," said one. "This is the first of the Muslim armies."

As Atta Ullah, 20, a Pakistani college student, leapt up on a truck heading for Afghanistan, clutching his father's ageing machine-gun, he said: "I'm not going to wait until the British and American ground forces arrive to start killing kaffirs [infidels] to defend my Afghan brothers.

"Pakistan has tried to stop us, but they can't and so now we are going to teach a lesson to the Western infidels," said Mohammad Zahid, 25, who has helped recruit fresh fighters for the Taliban. "We have so many fighters and guns that we don't know what to do with them all," he said.

Pakistan, while publicly discouraging its own religious militants, appears helpless, or unwilling, to staunch the swelling tide of recruits from the Pathan frontier regions where an estimated three million ethnic Pathans live on the Pakistani side of the border.

Some recruits said they were heeding the call of Osama bin Laden to do battle with America, but most claimed to be on their way to defend fellow Pathans from "cowardly air strikes".

Yesterday, hundreds of pro-Taliban Pakistanis seized the remote northern town of Chilas about 210 miles north-east of Peshawar, demanding the government stop supporting the US-led strikes on Afghanistan. They took over most government offices.

Pro-Taliban Pakistanis also continued their control of a stretch of the key Karakoram Highway for the fourth consecutive day, severing northern Pakistan's links with China. The Pakistani interior ministry said troops were being sent to oust the rebels and open the road.

The 750-mile highway was built along the ancient Silk Road that linked Asia with the West and connects Pakistan with Kashgar in China's north western Xinjiang region. It is a major trade link between Pakistan and China, though the Chinese all but sealed it after the September 11 attacks.

No details were available because of the remoteness of the mountainous region, a major attraction for foreign tourists. Hundreds have been stranded. Hardline Muslims, specially those living along Pakistan's border with Afghanistan, are outraged by the government's decision to help the United States.

In Peshawar, militants raising funds and recruiting fighters, say their recruits are destined for Kabul's front lines near the Bagram airport, where allied jets have been bombing Taliban trenches and bunkers. A pinpoint US air strike in Kabul last week killed 22 Pakistani fighters.

The recruiting drive in Pakistan has been largely overseen by the Jamiat-i-Ulema Islam party of Maulana Fazlur Rehman who was placed under house arrest by the Pakistani police before the start of the air campaign.

Elsewhere city dwellers and villagers from the remotest parts in the North Western Frontier Province have been collecting horses, chickens, gold, silver and guns to support the Taliban's fight.

The Al Rasheed Trust that has been cited by US Treasury officials as an important financial backer of bin Laden's al-Qa'eda network, is running the publicity campaign for the fund raising.

One of its posters credits villagers from Bajaur with having "raised 40 kilos of gold, 66 kilos of silver, 2,583 wrist watches, 110 rifles, 25 pistols, innumerable bullets, 75 horses, 1,200 chickens and five trucks of blankets and pillows".


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To: Pokey78
Why do I think a crop duster/spray plane to shower this bunch with 'warm' (liquid) hogs lard followed by a dose of napalm qualifies as a GOOD idea.......at least for the gene pool.
21 posted on 10/28/2001 4:36:00 PM PST by S.O.S121.500
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To: SirChas
And if they choose to ride in one of the Taliban's Toyota's....


22 posted on 10/28/2001 4:38:06 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: boomop1
Dispatch them to Alah, most haste.

Yes, they want those virgins they think are waiting for them, they need to commit suicide for allah, so we need to assist them.

23 posted on 10/28/2001 4:39:52 PM PST by FITZ
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To: jackbill
Why do I have the feeling that some freaking JAG is going to tell some PC general that it just wouldn't be nice to hit them? And that the general is going to listen?

i know. and until we take this friggin war seriously, you can rest assured the other side won't. i mean, i actually heard this on teevee today: "nearly 300 bombs were dropped on afghanistan in the heaviest bombing yet." that is not fighting a war in any real sense of the word.

dep

24 posted on 10/28/2001 4:40:00 PM PST by dep
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To: Pokey78
Heh, Let them lead us to more lucrative targets.
25 posted on 10/28/2001 4:40:21 PM PST by Credo
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To: Ranger
Why report it, the media will just claim it's innocent civilians. You can hit that group and then never say a word.
26 posted on 10/28/2001 4:42:50 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: boomop1
We've had alot of armchair Generals here at FR in the last few days.
27 posted on 10/28/2001 4:43:00 PM PST by kempo
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To: Pokey78
Cry Havoc, and let slip the dogs of war; That this foul deed shall smell above the earth – With carrion men, groaning for burial..

Shakespeare

28 posted on 10/28/2001 4:45:01 PM PST by schaketo
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To: Ranger
Mohammad Zahid, 25, who has helped recruit fresh fighters for the Taliban. "We have so many fighters and guns that we don't know what to do with them all," he said.

psst! mohammed! we know what to do with them, all of them, hide and watch!

29 posted on 10/28/2001 4:46:06 PM PST by Not now, Not ever!
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To: Ranger
Heh, we _want_ these idiots in Afghanistan. The Taliban will have to feed and arm them. Since they have no real training, all they will do is get in the way, cause logistical headaches for the Taliban, turn the people they have to rob for food and shelter against the Taliban, etc. If they ever do get to the front lines, they are cluster bomb fodder. Killing them will make things easier for the Pak government. The stupid, foolish, and brave are always the first to die in a war, and these Pushtun morons are all three.
31 posted on 10/28/2001 4:53:31 PM PST by Vauss
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To: Vauss
if that were the case, the taliban would not be rounding up young men, who have no training or weapons and who have to be fed, from their homes, which they are doing. they're happy to have cannon fodder. and i think it's pretty unlikely that this crowd will all be taken to shake hands with osama or zoom-zoom. no, icing their sorry butts one foot inside the border would send a far more meaningful message to the taliban.

dep

32 posted on 10/28/2001 4:57:03 PM PST by dep
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To: kaboom
If you need to burn a pile of leaves or yard debris, then you might as well gather up all of the little piles and even let the neighbors join in. It saves time and effort. (from the Martha Stewart Guide to War)

I also hope you're right. It certainly is the logical course of action. Pakistan's rulers have a big problem with pro-Taliban Islamic fundamentalists, and it makes sense to allow (or encourage) volunteer fighters to get out of Pakistan and into Afghanistan. Not only does that add to the pressure on the already tight supplies of the Taliban army, but it allows U.S. forces to carpet-bomb higher concentrations of the enemy.

33 posted on 10/28/2001 4:57:08 PM PST by dpwiener
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To: Vauss
Obviously a lot of us have come to the same conclusion. One additional factor is that the residue of these idiots who survive the bombing will be able take back stories to Pakistan of just how frightful U.S. military power is.
34 posted on 10/28/2001 5:02:59 PM PST by dpwiener
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To: dep
if that were the case, the taliban would not be rounding up young men, who have no training or weapons and who have to be fed, from their homes, which they are doing. they're happy to have cannon fodder.

The Taliban are desperate, but that doesn't mean they're smart or that they understand how to combat U.S. military forces. Untrained cannon fodder will not be militarily effective. It's not as though we lacked enough planes or bombs or ammunition to kill as many of them as the Taliban are able to throw into the battle. As it is, I'd much prefer that we kill Pakistani volunteers than press-gang conscripts.

35 posted on 10/28/2001 5:09:37 PM PST by dpwiener
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To: dpwiener
Actually, it makes much more sense to track them as they get far from the border. Then we can blast every last one of them into the sand - and when our Pakistani "allies" complain - we can then say "Hey - we had no idea they were Pakistani's. We recommend that Pakistani's stay well inside their own border for their own safety."
36 posted on 10/28/2001 5:10:54 PM PST by ctonious
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To: dpwiener
As it is, I'd much prefer that we kill Pakistani volunteers than press-gang conscripts.

Good point. It serves the cause of justice far better to wipe these extremist volunteers out, rather than some poor Afghan farmer inducted at gunpoint. The very fact that these scumbags are volunteering to help the Taliban fight the US, though they know exactly what happened in NY, and even though they're from an uninvolved country, clearly stamps each and every last one of them as direct co-conspirators to Taliban atrocities.

So I say to the Pakistani terrorist brigades: "Bring it on. We've got some AC-130's waiting for you."

37 posted on 10/28/2001 5:22:08 PM PST by ctonious
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To: Pokey78
An excellent decision by the Paks. We can't touch them so long as they stay in Pakistan. But if they'll file into Afghanistan in an orderly fashion, we can help them in their quest to reach Allah's loving arms. And every terrorist who removes himself from Pakistan increases the chances of our tenuous partnership with Pakistan surviving.
38 posted on 10/28/2001 5:22:45 PM PST by Moosilauke
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To: dpwiener
i agree entirely with you that these guys are on the A list for target practice. problem is, unless we get 'em as they convoy in, the taliban will take their pet network, cnn, off to see all the innocent civilian pakistanis the u.s. has created. meantime, anything we can do to cause the taliban to be cut off, the better for us.

dep

39 posted on 10/28/2001 5:30:21 PM PST by dep
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To: Ranger
I can't think of a sweater air target.

"They died with their sweaters on." Very courageous, comfortable too.

40 posted on 10/28/2001 5:40:34 PM PST by Professional
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