Posted on 10/25/2001 7:17:34 PM PDT by truthandlife
And I have also established my covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan (Exodus 6:3-4).
Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel (Eze 11:17)
The Bush administration's shifting policy toward Israel, including support for a Palestinian State, should be of grave concern to every Bible-believing American. U.S. policy, which effectively opposes Israel's right to self-defense, is so thoroughly hypocritical, especially in light of the U.S. action in Afghanistan, that even Congressional Democrats who favor a Palestinian state are reacting to it. But far more important:
--God's covenant with the Jewish people regarding their inheritance of the land of Israel is one of the most frequently mentioned themes in Holy Scripture. God will keep His promises. American Christians must not stand idly by and allow our young-Christian President to be hoodwinked by advisors who do not know the Bible or the God of the Bible (see Gen 15:18; 17:8; 28:13-15; 35:1213; Dt 30:1-6; Jer 11:5; 30:3; 32:37-33:26; Eze 11:16-17; 20:41-44; 34:12-13; 36:22-24; 38:8; 39:25-28; 47:13-48:35; Amos 9:13-15; Zec 7:14; 8:1-8).
--God is watching. Although He lifted His Hand to allow the terrible attacks that have led to the present war, we believe His hand of protection has not been removed totally. But we also believe that if we abandon Israel, whether motivated by oil, military or political strategy or for our own nation's self preservation, it will be "the last straw" for America. God's hedge, upon which we depend, could be lifted from our beloved land altogether. God is Judge of all nations! (Ps 9:17; 82:1; Is 2:4a; Zec 2:7-13; 12:3; 14:3).
God warned Israel not to trust in horses or chariots but to trust in the Lord our God. America must do likewise and stand by Israel even if it means alienating many others. If we bend, in the long run, these nations will hate us still and we will have lost everything - including God's favor. Although the administration is vacillating and may appear to be shoring up its commitment to Israel, President Bush needs to hear from each of us. Please take time right away to write President Bush a letter from your own heart. A letter is better than a fax, a fax better than a phone call, a phone call better than an email. This simple act could be the most important of your life. (White House mail is being processed, albeit slowly, because of the anthrax attacks. But don't let this deter you from writing.)
Write: The White House, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., NW, Washington, DC 20500
Call or Fax: The White House Switchboard - 202-456-1414, Fax - 202-456-2461
Please Join us in Prevailing Prayer:
--Heavenly Father, SPEAK to our President! Cause men & women of God from across America & from around the world to make an EFFECTIVE APPEAL. May George Bush HEAR Your Voice, LEARN Your Word and DO Your Will. May the U.S. remain immovably loyal to Israel. In Jesus' Name. Amen (1 Kg 22:5, 13; 2 Kg 22:18-19; Es 4:14; Pr 21:1; Is 30:21; Mt 6:10; 1 Cor 15:58).
You are the one with “preconceived” notions, and you’re trying to push them on us. I don’t go on Israeli or Zionist websites and try to push my beliefs on other people. But you come here and ridicule our beliefs. That makes people mad. If you want to be a street preacher, get yourself a soapbox and set up in a park somewhere.
He obviously is not interested in exchanging ideas
I’ve tried to exchange ideas with you, but you are only interested in promoting your ideas. If we all don’t immediately convert to your beliefs and way of thinking, you get mad at us. You don’t want to hear our ideas, you only want to promote your ideas. You are trying to proselytize people you think are “heathens”, and you get mad when they don’t become BenF cultists.
no amount of discussion will change his opinions.
No amount of discussion will change your opinions.
1) The events of the Bible (and even the "new testament") take place among Jews in 'Eretz Yisra'el, not in the United States of America which was founded a mere two hundred odd years ago by enlightenment rationalists and freemasons (you know--Illuminati types).
2) You dismiss my rejection of the "new testament" (which I used to believe in, btw; I'm not Jewish) because you cannot defend it on any logical grounds whatsoever. There was already a Bible before the "new testament" was written. The "new" (as in "if it's new, it ain't true") testament had as much authority behind it as the qur'an. You only believe it because it's always followed the book of Malachi. Well it didn't always follow the book of Malachi. Belief in its authenticity is based on the logical fallacy of "affirmation of the consequent," just as is evolution. If I were to ask you to prove to me the "new testament" is from G-d you would only quote it to prove it, and you miss the point that I don't recognize its authority to begin with.
The "old testament" does not authorize the "new" one. The latter can only be accepted dogmatically on its own authority, since no authority for it can be found in the "old testament." And it is because you realize this that you run into a corner and hide.
Christians believe in the divinity of Jesus because they believe it was foretold (promised)in the Jewish Bible. But then some believe that Christianity voids the promises of the Jewish Bible.
If the promises of the Jewish bible are voided then it should also void your belief (as you understand it) in it's prophesy of a Jewish messiah.
Or do you get to pick and choose what you like from the Jewish Bible? And who chooses which parts.
Phrased badly but I hope question is understood.
You can run, but you can't hide.
Your anti-America arrogance speaks for itself.
You're an embarrassment to the Jewish people.
Go on Mexican boards, and you’ll see people promoting Mexico over all other countries. Go on China message boards, and you’ll see people promoting China. This is an Americanism message board. The United States of America is the homeland of most people who post here. You can’t come here and promote a homeland that is different from the USA, and not expect people to get mad at you. You’ve got no right to insult us, just because we don’t want to support your own personal favorite homeland first.
We have beliefs too. No one has appointed you “World Supreme Thought Policeman in Charge of Beliefs”. I’ve always shown people of your beliefs respect by not going on their message boards trying to support my homeland first. Why don’t you show us the same respect? You’re acting just like the militant Islamics by insulting our religion and our country.
In my humble opinion, you’ve been conned and you’ve been converted. Believe what you want to believe, but don’t attack my country, its founders, or my religion.
The "new" (as in "if it's new, it ain't true") testament
I think it would be much better if you promote your anti-Christian propaganda elsewhere.
Thanks for your defense, but it is no use. He is like Fred25, Toilet Duck, and many, many others. I explained something patiently to him, and all he does is ignore my explanations and hurl accusations. OK, he can do that. But he doesn't fool anyone.
Yes, it has. And, to the extent that these Rabbonim are authentic, we have to trust their judgement until it can be proven otherwise.
Presumably by "authentic", you mean Torah-true, btw...? Or are you being more specific still?
This is exactly what I mean.
>>>... anyone who wants to can understand what he was saying and none of it was anti-American.
You don't know what you're talking about!
BenF said: >>>No, you will abandon Israel to support what is evil and unjust. That is your history and, sadly, your destiny.
To my eyes, this is anti-American. No two ways about it.
So, if I was you, I'd give it a rest yourself. You have injected yourself into something that is, frankly, none of your business.
America is at WAR and I won't stand for this type of anti-American crappola!
To my eyes, this is anti-American. No two ways about it.
Get glasses, get LASIK, get something.
Unless you can show me proof that Toilet Duck is really Uncle Sam (and BenF knew or should have known).
Driver's license or other photo ID may do.
You are stereotyping again. Everybody is “wrong” if they disagree with you. Everybody is “just alike” if they disagree with you. That is an obsessive narcissistic egotistical attitude.
I certainly choose to support the Jews over the crazed Islamic fundamentalists. I now have a understanding of Israel's situation after seeing what kind of wild animals they have to deal with in the muslims.
It is such a shame that liberal Jews do so much harn to Israel (liberals/Democrats). They wouldn't even fight for Israel as I would. They would prefer to let someone else do it. They even wanted to negotiate with the terrorists animals. They don't want a strong defense to protect us from the violent muslims. Again, the liberal Jew is one of Israel's enemy.
If I've been conned, why do you tell me to believe what I want to believe? Because you can't refute me? Because you have no reason whatsoever for your beliefs except that that's what you've always believed?
but don’t attack my country, its founders, or my religion.
Thomas Jefferson--born again chr*stian! [/Sarcasm] What do you think of ultrarightwing Catholics who attack Jefferson and the Declaration of Independence (like those at The Remnant)? Do they get a free pass for attacking him in the name of chr*stianity rather than in the name of the Torah?
I think it would be much better if you promote your anti-Christian propaganda elsewhere.
Meanwhile FR is full of anti-chr*stian atheists and rationalists who attack Israel (like Seti1 or whatever his name is) who attack the Bible as primitive mythology and you give them a free pass. It's okay to be anti-chr*stian as long as you are anti-Jewish as well--right?
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