[Joe Hadenuf]

It's interesting that some continue to find humor in this huge security threat.

I guess 6,000 Americans being murdered in such a violent manner has not got their attention and some refuse to wake up to the fact that our borders and immigration policies are a national digrace and now a complete national security nightmare.

I guess the question now is, when will the Federal Government end this immigration "free for all"?

[Joe Hadenuf]

Bang*

[FresnoDA]

Bump sir Joe!!

[Persian_Libertarian]

Enough is enough. I've had it with these 'nuke em destroy em deport em' nonsense. Lets talk turkey.

Lets say we're talking about 1 million aliens (many of whom are green-card holders) OK. Let's assume each contributes an average of $20k directly to the GDP. We're talking about a $20 billion hit to the GDP right away.

Then, let's add in the multiplier effect. Afterall, deported aliens won't be buying burgers and cars and TVs. And the drop in business will cause lower wages, and less demand in other sectors, who will also have reduced wages, etc etc. At a modest 5-to-1 multiplier effect, we are now talking of $100 billion.

OK. Now let's add in the cost of having the army seal in the Mexican border. Another few $billions.

Now let's add in the bureaucratic cost of processing mass deportations. More taxes, please.

By now, most are saying "heck, is this worth it?"

Well, not really. This will put the economy in a tail spin. It still won't protect us from a container that might carry a weapon of mass destruction. It won't protect our troops and embassies. Furthermore, by alienating middle-easterners, it will reduce our ability to hire linguists for counter intelligence operations.

I know some are saying "but we gotta do sumptin."

Fine. Lets start by hiring a few thousand Americans of middle-eastern background with good language skills, and have them infiltrate these organizations. Then, instead of mass deportations, we can deport a few hundred non-productive, parasitic terrorists. Before we do, we collect as much info as possible about their networks, so we can insure that if their buddies apply for visas, they are quickly identified.

I personally volunteered to work for the FBI as a Persian linguist. I love the USA. But I'm annoyed as heck at these morons who keep blabbering about mass deportations. Get a clue, please.

[101viking]

Wednesday October 24 7:35 PM ET
Census: 8 Million in U.S. Illegally

By GENARO C. ARMAS, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Roughly 8 million illegal immigrants live in the United States, early estimates from the 2000 census show. Their presence swells the country's foreign-born population to more than 31 million people.

More detailed figures are due from the Census Bureau (news - web sites) in the next month, and a final count of the foreign-born population will be released next year.

If the estimate of undocumented Americans holds up, it would be about 1 million more than an unofficial forecast by the Immigration and Naturalization Service early this year. Such a determination would highlight further the impact that immigration has had in reshaping the nation's demographic makeup, said University of Michigan demographer William Frey.

The 2000 census count of 35.3 million Hispanics nationwide was about 2.5 million higher than previously estimated. Hispanics now rival blacks as the country's largest minority group.

``This helps fit together the pieces of the census, the much higher level of immigration makes much more sense,'' said Urban Institute demographer Jeffrey Passel.

The Census Bureau does not ask about citizenship status on its forms and stresses that it keeps all answers confidential. The bureau uses INS data to help estimate undocumented Americans.

The 1990 head count found 19.8 million foreign-born residents. Several government agencies have placed the number of undocumented immigrants that year at about 3.5 million.

The latest estimates come at a time when Congress is scrutinizing the nation's immigration and visa systems after the Sept. 11 terror attacks.

``These new estimates have enormous implications for the security of our nation,'' said Steven Camarota, research director at the Center for Immigration Studies, which favors stricter immigration controls.

While most illegal immigrants by far are not terrorists, ``that hundreds of thousands of people are able to settle in the United States illegally each year indicates that terrorists who wish to do so face few obstacles,'' Camarota said.

INS Commissioner James Ziglar has said the issue is not necessarily about immigration itself, but about cracking down on nonimmigrant visitors ``who came here to do evil.''

``How to reduce the threat of terrorism and bring the undocumented population under control has come to the forefront'' of priorities, agency spokesman William Strassberger said Wednesday.

Among priorities stressed by INS and Congress are to identify and remove ``terrorist threats'' and to crack down on those who have overstayed time-limited visas.

The 2000 preliminary estimates come from a lengthy report the bureau produced over its decision against releasing statistically adjusted population data to distribute federal funds across the country.

The foreign born estimate is consistent with earlier surveys this year from the Census Bureau. Frey and Passel suggested the number of illegal immigrants could be even higher because of a census undercount.

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This one speaks for itself.....

[Jethro Tull]

Joe, I've 'waged war' on the illegal alien issue for the past 10 years. For my effort, I've been called every vile name in the book and asked to leave the Republican Party (which I did). Don't waste too much time on neocons. It's a totally hopeless cause.

[Pharmboy]

Whenever I express similar thoughts I am told to "lighten up." I wonder what these "lighten up" turds would think if their son or wife or husband or whomever were killed in the attack on the WTC.

[timestax]

bttt

[Libertarian_4_eva]

I guess 6,000 Americans being murdered in such a violent manner has not got their attention and some refuse to wake up to the fact that our borders and immigration policies are a national digrace and now a complete national security nightmare.

3000 is closer to the acutual number.