[bassmaner]

Just a little libertarian skepticism.

[bassmaner]

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[Lanman]

Some good questions, but prepare to get flamed by some here that don't even want to consider this.

[Lanman]

Some good questions, but prepare to get flamed by some here that don't even want to consider this.

[lelio]

If you want an alternative view check out Alex Jones's web site and radio show (currently streaming). Infowars
Right now he's talking about how the CFR and the Fed Reserve are financing the NWO, etc. Sometimes he sounds like a crank but is pretty good most of the time.

[StonyMan451]

We don't know that we're not being lied to. I've had some of the same concerns. However, we don't really have a choice but to trust our leaders. And if this is all part of some sort of conspiracy, it is out of our puny little hands.

But we have the most powerful weapon of all: prayer.

[mlo]

Uh, giving any credence to conspiracy stories involving the Masonic brotherhood, CFR, Trilateral Commission, and the Bilderbergers is not "skepticism". It is a lack of judgement.

[martian_22]

There are no such things as conspiracies.

The only thing evident is very well thought-out planning and executions of economic/political/cultural agendas withheld from public knowledge.

Conspiracies only occur among the "bad guys" who get caught.

[ericthecurdog]

Here's a link that should help those of you who are actually giving any creedence to these thoughts...

http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/OCCAMRAZ.html

Get a grip.

[Theresa]

"Why is the evidence we have on him and al-Qaeda under seal?"

Are you just not smart? It's secret to protect the identities of the people who gave us the information. If an al-Qaeda turn coat gave us information that only he would know and if we reveal that information the turn coat could get his throat cut!!! It is secret to protect the identities of informers so they go on informing us. Plus it is secret to protect Arab or Muslim states that might be secretly working with us but publicliy pretending to be more sympathetic with thier countryman. Come on use your head!!!!

[MarkWar]

>can we really, truly believe BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT that the tin-foil hat crowd...

I think one of the weirdest aspects of the modern world is that anyone might expect to know anything "beyond a shadow of a doubt."

Throughout most of history, the hallmark of education has been the realization that "The more I know, the more I realize how much I have left to learn" or words to that effect. Plato has a quote to that effect.

It's only in the relatively modern, reductionist, materialist times that you get bozos like Stephen Hawking saying that we know "everything" there is to know and now all that remains is refinement...

As far as practical politics and social affairs go, part of any educated, civilized human being's world should be the understanding that nothing is ever known beyond a shadow of a doubt and, since we must ALWAYS frame out decisions and actions based on less-than-perfect knowledge, we must consciously decide what constitutes persuasively proven rather than proven "beyond a shadow of a doubt."

Mark W.

[babylonian]

Although you've read all the "conspiracy theories", it's too bad they haven't come to life for you. "The conspiracy" is a living, breathing thing and it's going on right under your nose. The conspirators rely heavily on your denial, your refusal to believe, that it's all to fantastic to be true. But it is. Keep trying.

[ctdonath2]

Occam's Razor: the simplest answer is ususally the right one.

For the tinfoil-hat "the USA gov't did it!" crowd to be right, there would have to be a complex highly-motivated super-secret large-scale conspiracy in place to put in place the facts that we have - facts which are simple & believeable enough for our enemies to do without such a conspiracy-upon-conspiracy. Pulling it off without leaks or evidence would require enormous effort by an organization most of us agree can't even compute income tax correctly.

I'm reminded of the Penn & Teller magic trick of Teller smoking: While Penn blathers on, Teller stands on stage smoking a cigarette, crushes it out, lights another and repeats - an entirely believable simple process. To the audience's tinfoil-hat delight, Teller is faking the whole thing, and shows how. Despite having seen Teller fake having a smoke, I do not EVER look at someone smoking and consider that maybe they're really faking it for some conspiratorial reason. On the same note, there are enough USA-hating, martyrdom-seeking fanatics in this world for 19 of them to drive four airplanes into high-profile targets - I have no reason to believe it is faked by some conspiracy pursuing obscure outcomes.

As Freud said: sometimes a cigar is ... just a cigar.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

You need to read a little deeper to see who is behind the NWO, etc. Then you'll understand 911 DID NOT help them achieve their goals.

Pre-911, the world was marching in an orderly fashion towards the "One-World, One-Planet, One-God" which the powers-that-be have worked towards for over a century.

But 911 has shaken us sheep out of our sleeping-pill slumber. We've rediscovered our power as a republic under God to assert ourselves for righteousness. That's no small accomplishment. I truly believe this cataclysmic event will change us forever, turning us towards a firmer liberty and trust in God.

Those brave Firemen who booed Hillary, the NWO goddess, spoke for all of us -- a collective "up-yours" to any power but God's power.

[GoreIsLove]

just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you.

[martian_22]

BTW, just a few years ago, anybody even considering that Xlin-Ton had something to do with the transfere of weapons information to Red China was considered a 100% tin foil certifiable conspiracy nut.......

For what it's worth.

[Theresa]

You know over in Pakistan they think the Mossad knocked down the WTC. Somebody told them that 4,000 Jews did not show up for work at the WTC that day and that is proof that there was a Jew conspiracy. And they believe it! Are you as stupid as they are?

[ctdonath2]

Another answer is: why WOULDN'T the accused perpetrators do what they are accused of doing? It's not that hard, and they're motivated to do it.

I'll grant that there are indeed anti-American power-mongering conspirators at work in this country, and there may be some sophisticated conspiracys going on. What the tinfoil-hat crowd forgets is that the conspirators don't have to make these events (WTC, OKC, Columbine, etc.) happen, such events WILL happen on their own - the wise conspirator will not muck up the works by making things happen (and potentially fail or leave evidence), he will plan to manipulate the outcome (use rhetoric to pit one group against another, or to influence legislation). Sarah Brady didn't dope up some kids, brainwash them, arm them, and send them to Columbine, she just planned her press conferences & bills and waited for the inevitable to happen. Likewise, conspirators abusing the 9/11 events did not make the planes crash or mail Anthrax, they just waited for the inevitable high-profile terrorist act to occur and are now reacting as planned.

$h!t happens - those who plan on it happening simply have to wait for it to happen.

[Pete]

I do not think the CFR et al were behind the attacks. I would not be surprised if they tried to take advantage of them.

Like you, I have heard about the CFR, Illuminati, etc for years and never payed much attention. Recently, I have started doing some research on the Fed, which leads to the CFR and everything else. The list of CFR members is quite amazing.

For example, you may have heard about the U.S. Commission on National Security. This is also called the Hart-Rudman Commission. This is the commission that suggested the Office of Homeland Security. You may know that both Gary Hart and Warren Rudman are members of the Council on Foreign Relations. But did you know that all twelve of the "Commissioners" are members of the Council on Foreign Relations along with the Executive Director? Note that the Commission's website, www.nssg.gov, has a GOV extention, not ORG.

If you have never paid attention to the CFR, then this probably means very little to you. I would be more interested in the comments of those who have their tin-foil hats firmly planted on their heads:)

[Jefferson Adams]

Go HERE and listen to an excellent interview about the Office of Homelandf Security that will show you that you're not alone - and why. It's the 10/20/01 program. It's well worth your time.

[spoosman]

Is everything we're hearing from the media and the government true?

Of course it is!

Here, let me sing you a little song that will make you feel better:

Go to sleep
Go to sleep
Go to sleep, my little baby ...