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To: #3Fan
Yes, that's something I ran through my mind too. It's not absolutely conclusive but when when you combine the fact that 0120 came from 0119 and the fact that at least David, Jesus, and the Nazerites were ruddy complected and that particular trait isn't dominant when mixed with other traits and also that David is just a few Generations down from Adam, I think there's enough evidence to say that the reason Adam was named Adam was because he was ruddy complected.

Here's a list of generations from Adam to Jesus. This tags David 33 generations down from Adam. A bit more then a "few Generations". Also consider everyone came from Adam. We could point to a black man and say "His lineage came from Adam, that means Adam was black". Right? Nope. Not a conclusive argument. We can't say one way or another from the Bible. And if you don't believe everyone came from Adam, the Bible doesn't specify either way, and again you can't get any solid conclusion from the Bible. It's an assumption that David had the same skin complexion as Adam did. Also consider David didn't live where Adam did, and environment has a hand in altering complexion at times. This makes the argument even weaker. Also, Adam already has a base definition (First Man) and a descriptive definition (Mankind, which would make perfect sense since Adam is the father of mankind). Also [0119], though where [0120] is contrived from, is simply not used for Adam (which wouldn't make much sense using it anyways since Adam's complexion is really never mentioned). It's a different word with different a different meaning.

Some of the concordance meanings are derived, I believe. Reading the bible, it would appear that when the term "daughters of Adam" is used that that meant all of mankind, but I think it was Satan's attempt to disrupt God's plan for the Messiah, though, and Satan was going after a particular family, Adam's family.

I searched for the term "daughters of Adam", but only one verse has "daughters" and "Adam" together (Gen 5:4 - And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:). Where are you getting this verse?

Adam was created on the eighth "day", the races were created thousands of years earlier on the sixth "day".

What are you talking about? This is what the Bible says: (Gen 1:26 - And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. The next verse telling what day it is: Gen 1:31 - And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.) There is no mention of races being created.

Chapter 2 of Genesis starts out by saying that the heavens and the earth were finished and God rested on the seventh "day". And in verse 5 it continues with the word "and" and then says there was no man to till the field. So after the sixth day mankind creation, he needed another man to till the field (that's what Jesus is, a reaper of men), and so he created Adam.

Incorrect. If you read the passage in context, you'll find the reason there was no man to till the earth because man didn't need to till the earth (Gen 2:5 - And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and [there was] not a man to till the ground. Gen 2:6 - But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.).

There's not that many generations from Adam to David so being that Adam is the patriarch of just one family of mankind, it's highly probable that he was of a certain race. And that race happened to be the ruddy complected one, or part of the ruddy complected one. It's not a racial superiority thing, because the bible says that all you have to do to be one of Abraham's seed (spiritually) is to believe and follow Jesus' ways as best you can.

Adam was the one whom the races where made from...all of them.

-The Hajman-
317 posted on 10/26/2001 4:09:08 PM PDT by Hajman
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To: Hajman
Here's a list of generations from Adam to Jesus. This tags David 33 generations down from Adam. A bit more then a "few Generations". Also consider everyone came from Adam.

In modern times, 33 generations could only be 660 years. Not that long considering the thousands of years of human existence.

We could point to a black man and say "His lineage came from Adam, that means Adam was black". Right? Nope. Not a conclusive argument.

That's not what I said. I said combining Adam's name with the fact his sons were ruddy complected with the fact that that gene isn't dominant over other pigment genes makes it almost a certainty that Adam was ruddy complected.

We can't say one way or another from the Bible.

I can simply from his name.

And if you don't believe everyone came from Adam, the Bible doesn't specify either way, and again you can't get any solid conclusion from the Bible.

Yes it does. Adam was created when God knew it was time to bring on the reaper of men.

It's an assumption that David had the same skin complexion as Adam did. Also consider David didn't live where Adam did, and environment has a hand in altering complexion at times.

But not over just a few generations.

This makes the argument even weaker. Also, Adam already has a base definition (First Man) and a descriptive definition (Mankind, which would make perfect sense since Adam is the father of mankind).

Like I said that was derived. The author of the concordance was a human scholar.

Also [0119], though where [0120] is contrived from, is simply not used for Adam (which wouldn't make much sense using it anyways since Adam's complexion is really never mentioned). It's a different word with different a different meaning.

Combine it with the other evidence though and a clear picture emerges.

I searched for the term "daughters of Adam", but only one verse has "daughters" and "Adam" together (Gen 5:4 - And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:). Where are you getting this verse?

Genesis 6.2. Look at the Hebrew word for man (the actual Hebrew words up above the English) for Gen 1.26, Gen 2.5, and Gen. 6.2 and you'll see they're different. Strong called all three 0120 but maybe he shouldn't have.

What are you talking about? This is what the Bible says: (Gen 1:26 - And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. The next verse telling what day it is: Gen 1:31 - And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.) There is no mention of races being created.

Well there are races on the earth, they've been here for tens of thousands of years, and so put two and two together. :^) We have all the generations of Adam even down to today's kings. That's just not enough to develop the races into the diversity we see today. And the bible doesn't duspute that. It says God rested and then created Adam. The word "and" in Gen. 2.5 is a huge word.

Incorrect. If you read the passage in context, you'll find the reason there was no man to till the earth because man didn't need to till the earth (Gen 2:5 - And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and [there was] not a man to till the ground. Gen 2:6 - But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.).

When God needed a "tiller", he was talking of the Messiah, a tiller of men.

Adam was the one whom the races where made from...all of them.

How do you explain that huge word "and" in Gen. 2.5 then? It says God rested and God needed a husbandman and so he created Adam.

320 posted on 10/26/2001 4:39:33 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: Hajman
Oops, let me try again (wrong flag):

Adam was the one whom the races where made from...all of them.

Plus, do you really believe that that is enough generations to develop into what we see today?

325 posted on 10/26/2001 4:48:53 PM PDT by #3Fan
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