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To: OWK
I don't think the reasons you described, are quite valid... But this libertarian would recognize you as morally entitled to kick the living crap out of someone who sold drugs to your children, against your will.

And those that facilitate that?

This conversation started by a claim that it's OK for someone to knock the crap out of someone else for selling something to a third person that's willing to buy. It would seem the Libertarians are having to stretch their beliefs to get it to jibe with Jesus' actions.

243 posted on 10/24/2001 7:41:28 AM PDT by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
This conversation started by a claim that it's OK for someone to knock the crap out of someone else for selling something to a third person that's willing to buy. It would seem the Libertarians are having to stretch their beliefs to get it to jibe with Jesus' actions.

I understood the conversation to revolve around some Christians attempting to use Christ's actions in the temple, as justification to employ the initiation of force against sinners.

It is important to recognize however, that Christ's actions in the temple were morally justifiable, (even under libertarian philosophy) because Christ was presumably acting in defense of his own rights (inasmuch as those who traded there, defiled HIS house, without HIS permission, hence violating his property rights)

Force may morally be employed in defense of rights. It may not be morally initiated (even against sinners) if rights have NOT been violated.

Is that a clear explanation?

244 posted on 10/24/2001 7:52:17 AM PDT by OWK
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