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To: Heartlander
"the probability of life forming anywhere in the cosmos is miniscule."

Don't really mind the idea of a master watchmaker- just don't care for the idea that "He" did it all by pulling rabbits out of the hat- i.e., there were seven days of 24 hours etc..

I would be much more impressed by a deity that could, working within the constraints you laid out above, set the whole ball of wax rolling, and come up with this specific result.

but that's about all i have to say about it.

8 posted on 10/15/2001 7:31:51 PM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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To: fourdeuce82d
I would be much more impressed by a deity that could, working within the constraints you laid out above, set the whole ball of wax rolling, and come up with this specific result.

He did. Evolution, tho HE created it.

The existence of God is made through discovery, not belief. And since we work on the concept of linear time, we cannot possibly understand anything outside of that. Through quantum physics, we will, and then, we SHALL make the discovery of His existence on a collective level. Those who have discovered through personal revelation are the mystics and sages. They have had an undeniable brush with the Creator. Yet, how can that be scientifically proven? It is our scientists, and through their aim to dis-prove, that He will be discovered on a level that passes objective mustard. Simple belief, one way or another, is not enough to prove or dis-prove. It is discovery, whether subjective or objective, that proves His existence. The objective is to come.

17 posted on 10/15/2001 7:45:26 PM PDT by Dasaji
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To: fourdeuce82d
If God was to make Himself obvious to man (not that He has not) would there be the free will that we all enjoy?

Do not just throw out the "watchmaker" label.

18 posted on 10/15/2001 7:45:31 PM PDT by Heartlander
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To: fourdeuce82d
I don't see how it could have been actual 24 hour periods of creation when the sun and moon were not created until the fourth day. I just don't think we understand what length of time was indicated there. And it certainly would have been one busy day for God to create domestic animals and have Adam name them all in a 24 hour period.

I don't think the problem is with scriptures, just our ability to understand them.

43 posted on 10/15/2001 8:44:59 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: fourdeuce82d
Don't really mind the idea of a master watchmaker- just don't care for the idea that "He" did it all by pulling rabbits out of the hat- i.e., there were seven days of 24 hours etc..

Don't read the Bible literally. What God did when he/she/it created the universe is beyond our understanding. The whole notion of God is beyond our understanding. So we try to make sense out of it by describing creation and God in terms we can understand. 6 out of 7 days he worked, ect ect...

7 is considered a "perfect" number in the Bible. So the writers of Genesis use this number to describe the time period of creation. God's creation of the world was perfect, therefore it happened in 7 days.

Then we need to make sense of time. We draw on the Bible and come up with 7 days in the week. 24 hours in a day, well I think that depends on the earth's rotation, but I'm not sure. :)

I would be much more impressed by a deity that could, working within the constraints you laid out above, set the whole ball of wax rolling, and come up with this specific result.

Well, that's what this deity did, so feel free to be impressed. Once you get past the "7 days" and literal reading of the Bible, you can realize what God did for us.

"Oh God, you are so VERY huge. Gee, we're all REALLY impressed down here." - MP and The Meaning of Life

59 posted on 10/16/2001 5:52:44 AM PDT by Weatherman123
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