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Bush plan not expected to lead to talks - Cabinet expected to ease restrictions on Palestinians
The Jerusalem Post ^ | October 14, 2001 | By Janine Zacharia - By Herb Keinon and Margot Dudkevitch

Posted on 10/13/2001 7:12:08 PM PDT by Phil V.

The Jerusalem Post

Bush plan not expected to lead to talks


By Janine Zacharia October, 14 2001

WASHINGTON (October 14) - The Bush administration is aiming to present its vision of a final Israeli-Palestinian peace settlement, possibly including the idea that Jerusalem ought to be shared, just before the onset of Ramadan next month, as another way to garner Arab support for its war on terrorism, diplomatic sources here say.

The declaration is not expected to lead to a new round of US-led final-status negotiations any time soon. Administration officials acknowledge the ground is not ripe for such talks and insist the immediate goal remains getting the parties to adhere to the Mitchell plan for a cease-fire.

"The plan is the Mitchell recommendations. The plan is stop the violence, reduce the tension, build the confidence, get back to political process, negotiations. But we don't have peace proposals to make at this point," State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said on Friday.

"I don't know why people are looking for peace proposals from the United States," he said.

US officials had started preparing an outline for such a Middle East statement before the September 11 terrorist attacks. They had hoped that holding out the promise of a Palestinian state in particular would help Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat "climb down from the tree" of violence, halt the intifada, and enforce a cease-fire.

A declaration of US support for a Palestinian state was to be the main incentive. But President George W. Bush "played the card" earlier than the administration wanted, one US official said, when he threw his support behind a Palestinian state last week after reports of the US plan circulated anew in the press.

While Arab states welcomed the declaration, US officials were disappointed they did not get more mileage out of the gesture in terms of cooperation.

Arab states - Saudi Arabia in particular - are not cooperating at the level the US would like to see, particularly in terms of cracking down on Saudi financial support for Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida network.

Now US officials are weighing a new idea - adding to the text of the US peace vision a call for a "shared Jerusalem." Officials insist no final decisions have been made on whether to include Jerusalem, and Israeli diplomats are trying to ensure that Jerusalem, the most contentious of the final-status issues, is not mentioned.

Overall, the statement, expected to be delivered in some forum by Secretary of State Colin Powell, will talk about the need for a just and lasting peace in the Middle East based on UN Security Council resolutions 242 and 338; will call on Israel and the Palestinians to implement past agreements; and might ask Israel to emphasize the importance of freezing settlement expansion, which Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has already endorsed in accepting the Mitchell plan.

Administration officials, hoping to get maximum effect out of the speech, want it delivered close to start of Ramadan, which is expected to fall around November 17.

"For the sake of the coalition, they really want to see advancement on the Israeli-Palestinian track," said one Israeli diplomat. "They have promised not to surprise us."

Many supporters of Israel are concerned the US could force Israel to make untimely concessions.

"I stand today to urge the administration and the State Department to clarify the unqualified support of the United States of America for Jerusalem as the inviolable and eternal capital of Israel. The United States - Christians, Jews, and all Americans - stand for the territorial integrity of Israel, and so should this Congress," Congressman Mike Pence (R-Indiana) said on the House floor Friday.

In a Thursday night press conference, Bush said he hoped progress was being made on the Israeli-Palestinian front.

"I was pleased to see that Mr. Arafat is trying to control the radical elements within the Palestinian Authority. And I think the world ought to applaud him for that," Bush said.

The call to applaud Arafat irked some Israeli officials, who say such praise is premature and insist Arafat has done very little, if anything, to clamp down on terrorists.

Herb Keinon adds from Jerusalem:

A senior official in the Prime Minister's Office, responding to persistent reports of a new US plan, said that at this time the plan is only an "outline of ideas." He explained Bush's Thursday comments as an effort "to dangle some positive political incentive in front of the Palestinians, so they take the necessary steps to implement the cease-fire."

Israeli officials have said over the last few weeks that various reports of details of a "Bush plan" are often only leaks coming from a particular school of thought at the State Department wanting to push Bush in a certain direction or "trial balloons" aimed at gauging the reaction of both sides.


The Jerusalem Post

Cabinet expected to ease restrictions on Palestinians


By Herb Keinon and Margot Dudkevitch October, 14 2001

JERUSALEM (October 14) - The cabinet is expected to approve the lifting of a number of restrictions on the territories today, as Israel and the Palestinians appear to be moving back to the cease-fire framework agreed upon by Foreign Minister Shimon Peres and Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat late last month.

A decision to ease up on the restrictions was taken Friday morning at a meeting of the mini-cabinet - Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, Peres, and Defense Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer - and senior defense officials.

During that meeting, Ben-Eliezer and Chief of General Staff Lt.-Gen. Shaul Mofaz reportedly disagreed, with Ben-Eliezer saying that the restrictions should be lifted in areas where quiet is maintained, and Mofaz arguing that it is too early to take such measures.

Senior Israeli and PA security officials are scheduled to meet this evening, along with US representatives, to discuss pulling IDF troops back from the Abu Sneineh neighborhood in Hebron. They moved in after Palestinian snipers fired on Jews celebrating in front of the Cave of the Patriarchs on Succot.

One diplomatic official said that what is being talked about are guarantees from the Palestinians to stop the firing from there on the Jewish community in Hebron, much as the Palestinians stopped the firing on Gilo after the IDF moved tanks into Beit Jala in response to persistent such attacks.

Peres, who has been meeting with Palestinian negotiators Ahmed Qurei and Saeb Erekat every few days since his September 26 meeting with Arafat, met again with them on Friday. AP reported Qurei telling Palestinian Radio: "The Israeli side has committed to start lifting the closure within the coming two days." He did not give details except to say the measures are part of a "whole package" of reduced restrictions over the next two weeks.

Under the truce agreed upon by Arafat and Peres, Israel was to ease restrictions - including lifting the blockade around cities in quiet areas, removing roadblocks in quiet areas, and allowing Palestinian merchants and businessman into Israel - in exchange for an end to Palestinian violence and the arrest of terrorists.

The truce was frozen soon after the Peres-Arafat meeting, when the violence continued unabated. Now, however, there is acknowledgment both in the Foreign Ministry and the Prime Minister's Office that there has been a degree of reduction in the violence.

One senior official in the Prime Minister's Office said that "there is some reduction in violence that gives a measure of hope. It is not sufficient, Arafat is not doing what he should do to arrest the terrorists and stop the violence, but some measures have been taken by Palestinians. We hope that that following the easing of the restrictions, they will take more measures to stop the violence and arrest those they promised to arrest."

The Palestinians are reportedly coming under a great deal of pressure from the US to take action to stop the violence, just as the US is urging Israel to keep the region calm so as not to make it more difficult to get Arab and Moslem countries into its anti-terror coalition.

Peres, meanwhile, spoke yesterday with his British counterpart, Jack Straw, and said that while the Palestinians are still not doing everything they committed themselves to do to prevent terror, Israel will announce a large number of easements on the Palestinian population.

According to Peres' spokesman, Straw called Peres in advance of Arafat's upcoming visit to Britain.

Arafat adviser Nabil Abu Rudaineh, meanwhile, said he is not optimistic Israel will ease restrictions, and accused Israel of looking for pretexts to avoid resuming negotiations since it does not want to move toward a final-status agreement.

"Everybody knows that the ground is almost quiet. The problem is that Israel is not happy about it," he charged.

Yet there were numerous violent incidents reported over the weekend, including bullets hitting a home and one vehicle in Har Hadar outside of Jerusalem on Friday night, Nobody was hurt in the shooting, which security officials said came from the nearby village of Katana.

The Gaza area bore the brunt of the violence. Palestinians fired several mortar shells, one on Friday morning that landed close to an IDF post near Rafah Yam. In the evening, at least one mortar shell was fired at Neveh Dekalim.

Palestinians fired at least six anti-tank grenades at IDF posts, Neveh Dekalim, and Gadid. Soldiers spotted a large bomb near Netzarim that was set to detonate near an IDF unit on Friday morning. Palestinians fired shots at army positions near Rafah, in the central Gush Katif area, at Neveh Dekalim and Gadid. A large number of grenades were thrown at IDF posts and units near the border with Egypt.

In the West Bank last night, four firebombs were thrown at Egged bus 160 as it travelled between El Aourb and Beit Umar. No one was wounded and no damage was reported.

Early yesterday morning, Palestinians opened fire at a Border Police post at Tel Rumeida in Hebron. No one was hurt. The shots came from the neighborhood of Hareth Sheikh, which was occupied over a week ago by the army in an attempt to halt Palestinian gunfire on the Jewish community.

On Friday morning near Shavei Shomron, a roadside bomb exploded near a vehicle used to transport special-education pupils from the surrounding communities. The blast badly damaged the vehicle but no one was hurt.

(Lamia Lahoud contributed to this report.)




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Bush plan not expected to lead to talks - BUT - Cabinet expected to ease restrictions on Palestinians

Behind the scenes is where this intractible (not a cause of terrorism) Middle East problem will be sorted out.

1 posted on 10/13/2001 7:12:08 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: Phil V.
I am really getting tired of the US being blamed because two countries hate each other.
2 posted on 10/13/2001 7:14:36 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Phil V.
wow imagine what Osama will get if he blows up 2 more buildings and the rest of the Pentagon!
3 posted on 10/13/2001 7:20:58 PM PDT by arielb
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To: arielb
wow imagine what Osama will get if he blows up 2 more buildings and the rest of the Pentagon!

I cannot imagine President George W. Bush rewarding the cousins of the Islamic terrorists for their attack on the Pentagon and New York in such a fashion. I want to hear it in his own voice before I believe it.

4 posted on 10/13/2001 8:44:29 PM PDT by a_witness
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To: Phil V.
plan b: sharon; off ararat and his 'cabinet', his generals, his lieutenants, all terrorists that can be found and DRY UP THE SWAMP THEY BREED IN!!!
5 posted on 10/13/2001 8:47:33 PM PDT by Anonymous2
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To: arielb
The Bush people seem pretty smart, then the do something incredibly stupid like this and this isn't the first time they've been pushing Palestine. It's a reward for terrorism. Basta!
6 posted on 10/13/2001 9:01:18 PM PDT by Kermit
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To: Phil V.
Jerusalem doesn't belong to Bush, so he'll have to find some other bargaining chip to use with the arabs.
7 posted on 10/13/2001 10:07:17 PM PDT by jonatron
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To: jonatron
Jerusalem doesn't belong to Bush, . . .

True.
Nor does it belong to Arafat.
Nor does it belong to Sharon.

Jerusalem should "belong" to NO MAN AND NO NATION.

Jerusalem is.

8 posted on 10/13/2001 10:17:14 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: Phil V.
Jerusalem should "belong" to NO MAN AND NO NATION.

Why should it not belong to Israel?

9 posted on 10/13/2001 10:21:15 PM PDT by BenF
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To: BenF
Why should it not belong to Israel?

Jerusalem "belongs" to the world.


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The Armenian Quarter

The Old City of Jerusalem is divided into five distinct segments traditionally called "Quarters". They are:

1) The Muslim Haram El-Sharif ( Dome of the Rock);
2) The Muslim Quarter;
3) The Christian Quarter (Latins and Greeks); 
4) The Armenian Quarter;
5) The Jewish Quarter.

The  Armenian Quarter occupies the southwest corner of the Old City. It covers one-sixth of the area contained inside the ancient walls. It is believed that between 35 and 25 B.C., the Jewish King, Herod built a fortress and his palace along the western wall of the Quarter which at that time was called The Upper City ( Zion) since it was ( and now is ) relatively on higher ground than the other Quarters. After the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in A.D. 70, the area was occupied by the Tenth Roman ( Fretensis) Legion and became a government center. In the beginning of the twentieth century this western-most section of the Quarter was used as a cow pasture and to this day it is called as such.

Some Christian historians believed the site of the Armenian Quarter is also the Biblical Mount Zion, a name currently used for the area- a parcel of land highly coveted by other nations and religions. A short time after the destruction of Jerusalem, a small number of Jewish Christians returned to the few houses that remained standing in the Upper City. ( At the time almost all Christians were of Jewish origin). Since Christians were not legally recognized at the time, they were driven out by future Roman emperors. There is no historical evidence that Christians lived in the Upper City during the second and third centuries; instead, they congregated outside the city.

One of the gates of the Old City along the southern end of the Armenian Quarter is currently called Zion Gate. It opens to a street outside the wall, currently called Hativat Ezyioni (Zion Street). This street runs between the southern wall of the city and the Armenian cemetery adjacent to St. Savior Armenian Convent and the Biblical House of Caiaphas . Over the last three centuries this large cemetery has been the burial place of many distinguished Patriarchs of Jerusalem as well as the resting place of members of the community and many pilgrims who met their reward while visiting the Holy Places. The inscriptions on the old tombstones tell many poignant stories of the nature of the people interred there. The centerpiece of the cemetery is a monument erected in memory of the fallen heros of the Armenian Legion in 1917. It also serves as a reminder of the Armenian victims of the Turkish genocide in 1915.

The Armenian Quarter is a complex of several historical sites around which Armenians congregated over the last millennium to form a homogeneous entity housing a self-sustained community with its churches, schools, public and social institutions, residences and historical monuments. The compound consists of the St. James Armenian Convent and the adjacent residential neighborhood located toward the center of the Old City.

The Armenian Quarter is reached through the Armenian Orthodox Patriarchate Road, a narrow, one-way street extending through the center of the Quarter and ending at Zion Gate in the south. The main gate of St. James Convent opens to this road which starts just below Jaffa Gate at the western wall of the Old City. Just to the south of and adjacent to Jaffa Gate a wide portion of the wall was demolished in 1896 to make way for vehicular access. It is one of two major vehicular entrances into the Old City. The other is located at the southeast corner of the Old City to provide vehicular access to buses bringing in Jewish devotees to the "Western Wall" (Previously known as the "Wailing Wall") located at the base of the Haram El-Sharif.   Immediately after capturing the Old City in the 1967 war, the Israeli government demolished a portion of the city wall at the southeast corner as well as a row of ancient Arab houses opposite the Western wall to make room for a large square and appropriate parking .

The Armenian Quarter is believed to have its beginning in the fourth century A.D., when a small group of monks and pilgrims settled in the area in order to be near the Upper Room, a building on Mount Zion traditionally considered the gathering place of the early Christians. The current St. James Cathedral is believed to be on this site. The Armenian Quarter began to take shape just prior to the Crusader period (1099-1187 A.D.) when Armenians settled in appreciable numbers in the vicinity of St. James Cathedral ("The Jewel of Churches") which historically is proven to exist at the time. The current configuration of the cathedral comes to us as a result of renovations made during the Crusader period. Some current sanctuaries in the area are believed to pre-date the Crusaders. The ages of some of the buildings date from different periods thereafter.

By the middle of the fifteenth century the Armenian Quarter is frequently mentioned to be of existence. It developed to its current size during the reign of the Ottoman Turks in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries.  Unlike other Quarters in the Old City, the Armenian Quarter is well preserved. The St. James Convent is a complex of several churches with open spaces and gardens covered with a variety of greenery. The Patriarchate building next door is an impressive structure consisting of the Patriarch’s residence, gold embossed throne room and several offices. Behind its main gate, the convent contains priest’s quarters, a library building, a museum, printing press, elementary and high schools and residences, youth and social clubs and residential shelters for the poor and employees of the Patriarchate. Currently the Theological Seminary is located outside the convent across the street from the main gate.

The residential section adjoining the convent is accessed through narrow cobblestone alleys and walkways carrying Armenian names (i.e. Ararat Street) similar to those in the other quarters except that these alleys are not as crowded and are well maintained. A guarded gate connects this area to the St. Archangels Church at the south end, which is provided to the faithful as a parish church where weddings, funeral services and baptisms are performed.

During the 1948 Arab/Israeli war some members of the community took refuge within the walls of the St. James Convent. Many others left the country for the safety of countries around the world (Soviet Armenia, the U.S., South America, Europe, Australia etc.).Thus some of the residences were forced to remain vacant becoming victims of vandalism. The greatest damage was inflicted on the entire Quarter during the 1967 war between Israel and the Kingdom of Jordan.

Having been caught in the middle, the entire Quarter was the victim of bomb damage . The buildings housing the priests and the seminarians were damaged by mortar shells lobbed by both combatants and had to be completely evacuated.  The major part of the residential section was evacuated. Some were illegally appropriated by Jewish squatters. To this day the Patriarchate is attempting to throw them out to no avail. Some have been given long term leases since officially, most of the residences belong to and are currently maintained by the Patriarchate. The Armenian Quarter is still on the maps; but its future seems to be bleak. The fact that it is adjacent to the Jewish Quarter in the east does not help much. It is feared that the Armenian Quarter is in danger of shrinking in the coming years.

By 1948 the Armenian population in Jerusalem at its peak numbered more than 16,000.  Currently, about one thousand Armenians live in the Armenian Quarter. The total number of Armenians in Israel and the West Bank is estimated to be about two thousand.


10 posted on 10/13/2001 10:48:41 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: Phil V.
" Arab states - Saudi Arabia in particular - are not cooperating at the level the US would like to see, particularly in terms of cracking down on Saudi financial support for Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida network. "

Appeasement of the Arabs will not work, they will never help the U.S. Attempts by the Bush administration to make them good coalition members will fail. What the Arabs want is the elimination of Israel. So unless Pres. Bush is willing to sell out Israel, which the American people would never stand for, he would do better to support his true friends and allies and forget the Arabs.

11 posted on 10/14/2001 2:46:56 AM PDT by etcetera
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To: Phil V.
Behind the scenes is where this intractible (not a cause of terrorism) Middle East problem will be sorted out.

Your ability to read Bush's and Israel's mind, and see "behind the scenes" is impressive. You using tarot cards?

12 posted on 10/14/2001 8:40:05 AM PDT by veronica
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To: Phil V.
Wanna give Manhattan back to the Indians, too? Your knowledge of Middle East affairs is slim, and your arrogance that you know what Israel should do, and what the USA will do, is laughable.
13 posted on 10/14/2001 8:42:58 AM PDT by veronica
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To: Phil V.
Ezekiel 36 1. And thou, son of man, prophesy unto the mountains of Israel, and say, Ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of Jehovah.
2. Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Because the enemy hath said against you, Aha! and, The ancient high places are ours in possession;
3. therefore prophesy, and say, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Because, even because they have made you desolate, and swallowed you up on every side, that ye might be a possession unto the residue of the nations, and ye are taken up in the lips of talkers, and the evil report of the people;
4. therefore, ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord Jehovah: Thus saith the Lord Jehovah to the mountains and to the hills, to the watercourses and to the valleys, to the desolate wastes and to the cities that are forsaken, which are become a prey and derision to the residue of the nations that are round about;
5. therefore thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Surely in the fire of my jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the nations, and against all Edom, that have appointed my land unto themselves for a possession with the joy of all their heart, with despite of soul, to cast it out for a prey.
6. Therefore prophesy concerning the land of Israel, and say unto the mountains and to the hills, to the watercourses and to the valleys, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I have spoken in my jealousy and in my wrath, because ye have borne the shame of the nations:
7. therefore thus saith the Lord Jehovah: I have sworn, saying, Surely the nations that are round about you, they shall bear their shame.
8. But ye, O mountains of Israel, ye shall shoot forth your branches, and yield your fruit to my people Israel; for they are at hand to come.
9. For, behold, I am for you, and I will turn into you, and ye shall be tilled and sown;
10. and I will multiply men upon you, all the house of Israel, even all of it; and the cities shall be inhabited, and the waste places shall be builded;
11. and I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and be fruitful; and I will cause you to be inhabited after your former estate, and will do better unto you than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I am Jehovah.
14 posted on 10/14/2001 8:51:00 AM PDT by LadyForLiberty
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To: veronica
You using tarot cards?

No.
If we publicly connect the Middle East to 9/11 then the terrorists WIN.

It is imperative that we SIMULTANEOUSLY deny a connection between terrorism and the Middle East AND work behind the scenes to find safety for Israel and justice for the Palestinians. In this case hypocrisy is useful ( LOL with irony ).

15 posted on 10/14/2001 10:44:30 AM PDT by Phil V.
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To: Phil V.
Jerusalem "belongs" to the world.

It seems that a lot of people share your opinion...at least since 1967 when Jews regained control over the entire city. Before that, when it was divided and Jewish synagogues were destroyed, Jewish cemetaries were desecrated, and Jews were denied access to their holy sites, the world didn't seem that concerned. I guess that's just a coincidence.

Frankly, I hope those who now control Jerusalem don't give it up, despite your willingness to share it.

16 posted on 10/15/2001 6:15:19 AM PDT by BenF
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