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To: MadIvan
..... divides humanity into seven "civilisations" [The West, Islam, Russian/Orthodox, Hindu/Indian, Chinese, Japanese and African]

His first mistake. There is only one Civilization -- the others are Cultures -- and any veneer of Civilization that adheres to them but a draped-over carbon copy of Western [Essentially Judeo-Christian] Civilization.

.... and he forecasts that they will fight one other indefinitely. To Huntington, these [Cultures] are ..... primitive tribes, will [Envy, hate, rage at and] attack [Western Civilization and] one other until the end of time.

Only poverty restrains super-tribal aggression, believes Huntington, but he assumes that all seven civilisations will grow rich without losing the cultural differences that provoke super-tribal war.

Big mistake number two, a wrong assumption -- and a false premise from which the rest of his theory descends. Poverty is the consequence of the denial to the creators and owners of Capital of the FReedom to choose what to do with it.

And it is the envy created by the ensuing poverty that is harnessed by the leaders of the uncivilized and turned into such hatred and rage as that we witnessed on September 11.

Huntington argues that there are many different types of capitalism .....

Absolute rubbish! There is only one and -- although something akin to it appeared momentarily in Great Britain at the time of the Industrial Revolution -- and was momentarily rampant in America in the early 19th century -- politicians soon inserted themselves and fellow-free-loading bureaucrats into the loop -- and capitalism is practised nowhere on Earth. Only various forms of Socialism. [Whose clichés are taught as "economics" in all but a couple of the world's colleges]

The West is unique in its individualism and its rule of law, and the West created capitalism. But because the West was individualistic and was ruled by law before it was rich, Huntington denies that those properties are important to the creation of wealth.

[In a vain attempt to support] his argument, Huntington pointed in 1996 to the "Tigers" of the Pacific Rim. Their cultures are collective and authoritarian, and they ignore the individual's rights under the law, yet they were growing so rich that, by 1996, they were beginning to ape the Muslims in their defiance of the West.

Yet where are the Tigers now? Japan is locked in economic stagnation, while Thailand, Indonesia and Malaysia struggle with economic disaster.

Huntingdon completely overlooks that all but one of the much-vaunted "tigers" were the recipients both of the foundation of Western Rule of Law -- and all of them, of Trillions of Dollars of Western Capital -- and that when their rush to self-aggrandizement, their building of massive structures [Mostly underused and not viable -- Kuala Lumpur's "tallest building in the world (It is not!) -- only 25% occupied!] as witness to their own self-importance and their corruptly and criminally siphoning-off of every single penny they could get their grubby hands on -- became more than even the kick-back grubbing Western and European bankers could explain away to their investors -- Western investment dried up -- and with it the much-vaunted "tigers" became revealed as what they always were. Pussies.

Even today, 87% of Singapore's new investment is from the West -- and Singapores much-vaunted "success" is cloaked in draconian secrecy to cover up its government-controlled companies massive squanderings and losses of much of the confiscated wealth of its taxpayers and citizens in moronic overseas ventures.

Such is its "success," for example, that it can no longer return to its citizens the thirty-seven per cent it has, for decades, compulsoraly confiscated from their every pay packet into a "pension fund" -- the money from which having been blown by incompetent technocrats on "vip" terminals at airports, on first-class and five star representation at every major international junket and bureaucracy, on obscene "salaries" for "judges," bureaucrats and MPs -- and on massively-failed overseas ventures. In China; Thailand; Indonesia; Malaysia; Hong Kong -- and lately into several of the world's airlines, in a way which had, even before September 11 2001, to all intents and purposes brought several of them [Air New Zealand and Australia's Ansett] down -- and doomed others -- quite possibly to include Branson's Virgin Atlantic and the always wildly over-rated Singapore Airlines itself!

And as Mr Huntington [Correctly] states -- and despite that much of its mismanaged and/or confiscated wealth continues to be massively mis-directed toward the East's ceaselessly swirling plug holes:

Only the West continues to grow.

And now that Osama has given us all a look at what the other half really thinks of us?

Please God we will allow the scum that own operate control and rule the Beautiful Peoples who are trapped in all of the other cultures the benefit of the consequences of their own actions; that they might all perish -- and that we, by our example, can rescue their long-suffering Peoples -- and show them FReedom's Way!

24 posted on 10/11/2001 1:16:04 AM PDT by Brian Allen
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To: Brian Allen
bump for true words: became revealed as what they always were. Pussies.
33 posted on 10/11/2001 3:50:07 AM PDT by packrat01
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To: MadIvan; Brian Allen; LS
There is only one Civilization -- the others are Cultures

Here's a definitional system for you. Several cultures that are inter-accessible between themselves but not accessible from the outside are a civilization. An ability to measure success and failure -- the ethos -- comes with a civilization, not culture. Thus Mexican peasants and British engineers intermingle without conflict in California, -- both are cultures inside the Western Civilization.

The warrior Arab civilization we are facing has a different ethos -- it is not accessible to us. That civilization also comprises several cultures. It is also thinly spread: no Arab nation consists entirely of "warriors".

See Defense of Liberty: The Contours of Victory

39 posted on 10/11/2001 4:42:33 AM PDT by annalex
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