Posted on 10/08/2001 8:11:24 AM PDT by freedomnews
America Is Falling Into An Illuminati Trap
stream of consciousness commentary
The global propoganda arm of the New World Order is doing its job as expected. Osama bin Ladin has already been tried and convicted as the mastermind of the September 11 attacks. America will now become embroiled in a religious war that could engulf the entire Middle East. Who will gain from this war? What are some of the possible results?
- Osama bin-Ladin has now become the greatest Muslim hero. Don't believe the lies that the Western press is spreading that he is looked upon as a deviant and as an outcast by most Muslims. He embodies the fullest ideals of the concept of Jihad. It does not matter if he is responsible for the attacks or if he is not. He now stands in battle against what Muslims refer to as The Great Satan, and 90% of Muslims can do nothing but admire him.
- The House of Saud is now in a Catch-22 situation. Do they support the American war and risk their kingdom being toppled, or do they try to keep their distance and acknowledge how illegitimate and shaky their government is? A very possible result of this war could be the fall of the House of Saud. They have been corrupted by American luxuries and true Muslims see the royal family as traitors to Islam. Standard Oil of California (now Chevron) bought the rights to prospect for oil in Arabia from the House of Saud for a mere $250,000 in 1933. America has viewed Saudi oil as our oil since that time, and we have always counted on our Saudi lackeys to always push for lower prices and higher production during every OPEC meeting. The House of Saud is an American asset and real Muslims view it as a terrible shame that their holiest land is controlled and supported by, and even occupied with troops from, a "Christian" nation.
- The physical British Empire declined in the years after World War II, but the global elites, since the time of Cecil Rhodes, have understood this inevitable decline and have turned their attention to creating a brand new global empire. The Federal Reserve, the Council On Foreign Relations, the United Nations, the International Monetary Fund, the Trilateral Commission, the World Trade Organization etc, etc, are all a continuing part of this march towards a global government.
- Islamic Fundamentalism was supported by the British and American governments during the Cold War. Bin Ladin was a CIA and British asset. He personally fought against the Russians in Afghanistan and he was almost killed several times by Russian shelling. After the Cold War America slowly backed off of its support for Muslim fundamentalists, but certain members of the British elite have continued to support, and perhaps even direct it.
- Bin Ladin's direct financial assets and strategic capabilities have been hugely exaggerated. The entity known as Al-Qaeda is simply the guestbook for Muslims who entered Peshawar to join the jihad against Russia in Afghanistan. There is no such thing as a global terrorist organization known as Al-Qaeda! Bin-Laden is probably not directly, or even secondarily, responsible, but of course the media is able to trot out "links" that "prove" Bin-Ladin was involved. These "links" may be real, but Afghanistan was a haven for many dedicated Muslims who wanted to participate in a jihad, and many of these rich and powerful fanatics crossed paths in that country over the past twenty years. These links are far from "proof" or even "evidence" that Bin-Ladin was responsible for orchestrating and funding the September 11 attacks.
- The Taliban regime became the focus of the Global Elites anger for doing at least two things: 1) Destroying the ancient carved stone buddhist statues, which represented an attack on religious pluralism and tolerance. 2) Prohibiting the growing of poppies for heroin. This was perhaps one of the few admirable actions of the Taliban regime, but it deprived the merchant banks of a very important and massive supply of liquid capital. Drug money is used to prop up the bankrupt global financial system and the loss of the Afghani raw material represented a major loss of income. When Afghanistan is liberated will poppy production continue again under the UN? Of course it will.
- Osama Bin-Ladin is a perfact scapegoat because he is already a well-known and admitted terrorist, he is connected with the House of Saud, he is associated with the Taliban and he is capable of starting a jihad among the majority of Muslims not corrupted and bought by the West.
- A religious war in the Middle East is a goal of the global elites for several purposes: 1) War is always a quick road to peace. Want a League of Nations? Start World War I. Want a United Nations? Start World War II. Want a New World Order? Start a religious war in the Middle East. 2) Jerusalem must become an international city, controlled by the UN, as a symbol of tolerance and as a holy place for the three monotheistic faiths. 3) The Arabs must be kicked off the Temple Mount and a new Jewish Temple must be built, to be taken over for occult purposes. 4) America's status as the only super-power must be dissolved. America's strong grip on OPEC, through the Saudis, must be diminished. Europe has already made agreements for Russian oil, and so the fall of the House of Saud serves the NWO at the expense of America.
- Britain pledges to be our friend, and Tony Blair makes heartfelt speeches, but all of the alleged terrorists entered the United States via London, Saudi Arabian dissidents are given shelter in Britain, and the British-dominated New World Order can only gain from what will soon happen. In the meantime, the British press continues to be the most aggresive antagonists of Israeli self-preservation, and British elites have proven ties to Muslim terrorism. By the way, is there a CNN reporter that does not have a British accent? I thought CNN was an American network.
These are merely the thoughts I have gathered after pondering this subject. Below are some links to articles that offer important data that has been ignored or glossed over by the major media:
Dr. Saad Al-Fagih: A dissident Saudi now living in London. He lived in Afghanistan, understands Saudi politics, and is quite frank in relating the Muslim view of Bin-Ladin. Here is an interview, and here is the website of his organization that seeks freedom and democracy in Saudi Arabia. Read especially the two main articles on the front page. Have you heard these views in our media? Don't you think that people like Dr. Al-Fagih should be heard?
Here is his statement of what Al Qaida really is: "Al Qaeda is just a record for the people who came to Peshawar and moved from there back and forth to the guest house. And moved back to their country. And if they want to follow the number, they must be talking about 20, 30 thousand people. Which is impossible to trace... That record, that documentation was called the record of Al Qaeda. So that was Al Qaeda. There's nothing sinister about Al Qaeda. It's not like an organization--like any other terrorist organization or any other underground group... Al Qaeda is just a record for the people who came to Peshawar and moved from there back and forth to the guest house. And moved back to their country. And if they want to follow the number, they must be talking about 20, 30 thousand people. Which is impossible to trace. And I think most of those records are in the hands of the Saudi government anyway, because people used the Saudi airlines, [at] a very much reduced fare."
"Al Qaida" simply means "The Base." It was the base for Arabs who would sign up before entering Afghanistan. Please read Dr. Al Fagih's interview above. It was the base where Arabs would sign up so they could be tracked down if something happened to them in Afghanistan. There are twenty to thirty thousand names on the "roster" of Al Qaida, many of then are probably very prominant names of Saudi Arabians, and very few would even think of associating themselves with a terrorist organization. The Bush administration was frantic in their search for a label for Bin Ladin's group and the best they could do was "The Base." Pathetic. Here are some names for some very real terrorist organizations, and what they mean in English:
Al-Gama`a al-Islamiyyah: The Islamic Group
Hamas: An acronym for "Harakat -Al-Islamia" or "Islamic Resistance Movement." Hamas also means courage and bravery in Arabic.
Islamic Jihad: Muslim holy war
Hizballah: The party of God
And of course the most insidious, most well-funded and fanatical of them all is "The Base."
In a Wall Street Journal article entitled "Saudi Arabian Royal Family Finds Itself Caught in the Middle of Two Alliances," Dr. Al Fagih is quoted as saying, "If the regime goes ahead and helps the Americans, it will abandon the last stroke linking it to Islam. People believe once there is Saudi help [to the U.S.], and the attack starts, it is totally justified to hit the regime itself."
Website: Americans Against the Sauduction of Washington
Said K. Aburish: A Palestinian author and journalist also living in London. Here is an interview. His many books document the West's manipulation of the Middle East, and they offer a perspective that must be heard if the present situation is to be properly understood. And Americans stupidly wonder in horror and amazement, "How can they hate us so much?! What have we done to deserve this?!" Well, put down the clicker and read a book! Our foreign policy has been hijacked since Woodrow Wilson and we have been steadily aiming for our present destination for the past fifty years. This should not be a surprise.
Executive Intelligence Review: An organization led by the sometimes brilliant, sometimes ignorant, and sometimes comical, Lyndon LaRouche. One article on Osama Bin-London's globalist British backers, and another article on the globalist British control of international terror.
On January 11, 2000, EIR submitted a memorandum to Secretary of State Madeleine Albright requesting an official investigation into Great Britain's support of terrorism. This document puts forth the clear evidence that Great Britain has been a safe haven for known terrorists for many years. To this day groups like the Islamic Group (Egypt), Al-Jihad (Egypt), Hamas (Israel, Palestinian Authority), Armed Islamic Group (Algeria, France), Kurdish Workers Party (Turkey), and the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (Sri Lanka) all continue to maintain official headquarters within Britain, and Britain has often bent over backwards diplomatically to protect known terrorists from the justice that was sought by countries such as Egypt, India and Yemen. According to EIR, the United States has every right, indeed the moral obligation to its citizens, to place Great Britain on the list of nations who we officially sanction as sponsors of terrorism. According to EIR:
ALL ROADS LEAD TO LONDON
London's Bridge is Falling Down, a webpage that uncovers London's links with Islamic Jihad, Hamas and other terrorist organizations, while exploring reasons for the TWA flight 800 disaster.
Consider the article from a CBS news website entitled "Report: L.A. Target For Terror." Ahmed Ressam was a terrorist arrested in December of 1999 for plotting to bomb the LAX airport. Ressam admitted during his trial that he has close ties with a London resident, who is known to have close ties to Osama Bin Ladin.
A BBC article, "Algerian suspect 'trained hijackers'" records the arrest of an Algerian suspect named Lotfi Raissi. This man was a pilot and was allegedly involved in training at least four of the terrorists who struck on September 11. Raissi was re-arrested on an international warrant, along with three other suspects in the UK. Raissi was living in London near Heathrow International Airport at the time of his arrest.
A Guardian Observer article, "London-based terror chief plotted mayhem in Europe" speaks of how Djamel Beghal, the leader of a terror group that even Bin-Ladin admired, was based in London until September of last year. The article says, "US investigators now believe that the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon were planned in Germany using up to 30 people, with individuals who lived or once lived in Britain playing a crucial role."
The Guardian Observer also published an article on its website that documented links between two London-based banks and a Sudanese bank, that were involved in funding Bin-Ladin, but this article has disappeared.
Another article also documents Bin-Ladin's money supply, allegedly funneled through the Capital Trust Bank that is based in New York and London, a bank owned by Mohammad Hussein Al-Amoudi, whose lawyer is Vernon Jordan.
Esquire magazine published an exposé of Bin-Ladin in 1999, and they have re-posted it on their website. On the first page of this article it documents how Bin-Ladin was approached by the journalists interested in getting the interview,
"That was the very reason I wanted to interview him, and the reason getting such an interview would not be a simple process. His public-relations apparatus is a sophisticated and complex network of agents and intermediaries. The first discussions took place in the old, ornate Jefferson Hotel in Washington. A couple of ABC News producers, Chris Isham and Len Tepper, brought me to meet with a trusted contact who had good connections among Islamic fundamentalists. Soon he sent word back: We would have to travel to London and meet with some of bin Laden's people. Bin Laden, it seems, has people all over. Two meetings, both in Tudor-style homes a half hour's drive from central London. We removed our shoes, drank cider and water, and made our intentions toward bin Laden known. We told his people we would raise the issues that concerned him, and "tell his side" and enough about his background so people would get a broader understanding of him."
A CNN article mentions a London associate of Bin-Ladin, who purchased and shipped to him a state of the art satellite telephone. His associate, Khaled al-Fawwaz, who was the recipient of the majority of calls from Bin-Ladin in Aghanistan, is now in custody in England.
The Christian Science Monitor published an article, available here, on the intrigues surrounding England's Finsbury Park Mosque. Abu Hamza is the senior cleric of this north London mosque, and it held an "Islamic camp" during Christmas to train young British Muslims in "military training for brothers, self-development skills, martial arts, map reading, etc." Soon after, the Yemeni government arrested five Muslim youths who were in Yemen on British passports, on suspicion of plotting to commit terrorism. One of these youths was a step-son of Abu Hamza. Here is an article on Abu Hamza, his mosque and his group, and here is another article by the ADL. The latter article mentions that, "In addition to his sermons, Abu Hamza is believed to run weekend military training camps for Islamic youth in Britain that are staffed by former British army officers." Apparently, in a rather startling sequence of events, the President of Yemen asked the government of Britain to hand over Abu Hamza so that he could be tried as a terrorist in Yemen, but Britain refused. So who's fighting terrorism here!? Another article documents Abu Hamza's long-overdue arrest by Britain's crack "anti-terror squad" (no doubt!), but he was detained only for a few days and later released.
Osama Bin Ladin is a tool of the global elites who is being used to establish the New World Order. These global elites, also known affectionately as the Illuminati, are the rulers of the shadow governments of the United States and Britain. They are a collection of close-knit royal families, banking families and political dynasties, with a major base of power being the city of London financial district, from where the major commodities of oil, gold, diamonds, weapons and drugs are controlled and dispensed throughout the world.
These global elites have a vast intelligence network that operates through, over and above the American CIA, the British MI6 and the Israeli Mossad. They have been the major supporters of violent Islamic Fundamentalism from the very beginning, and they continue to manipulate these violent religious fanatics for their own ends.
The events of September 11 were engineered by these global elites, and to cover their rear ends they have betrayed their expendable asset, Osama Bin Ladin. They know everything about him, and all of the connections that he has all over the world, and they are very easily able to frame him for the terrible crimes they have orchestrated. Consider now the way in which our British "friends" are helping us to solve this crime:
(Does Britain have a history of betraying expendable agents? Here is one man's recent story.)
On Thursday, October 4, Tony Blair, in an address to Members of the British Parliament stated, "We have absolutely no doubt that Bin Laden and his network were responsible for the attacks." The British PM said that the evidence that had been collected was "overwhelming," but that a great deal of it could not be released because it might compromise the security of the agents who had gathered it ( Yeah, it wouldn't be prudent). The major media trotted right out with this shameless drivel through the BBC, The Washington Post and CNN, among others.
On October 5, Time.com published a short report on Mohammed Atta, the alleged ringleader of the hijackers. Here is an excerpt,
"Britain on Thursday released a document setting out the basis for a case against Al Qaida for the September 11 attack, which indicates, among other things, that some of the hijackers had met with Al Qaida officials, and that Bin Laden had warned in the days before the attack that he was about to launch a major attack on America. The British document, based on telephone intercepts and information gleaned from interrogations in Europe since the attacks in New York and Washington, also reveals that orders were sent to a number of the network's key operatives to return to Afghanistan by September 10.
"Al Qaida's often diffuse structures are designed specifically to avoid leaving behind trails of command responsibility detectable to investigators probing specific attacks. Proving that Atta and others had spent time at Al Qaida camps in Afghanistan and had met with al-Zawahiri would therefore constitute a major breakthrough in the investigation."
So on the one hand we are told that Al Qaida is a shadowy paranoid group dedicated to preserving its anonymity, but on the other hand we now have a "major breakthrough" by being able to link Atta with Al Qaida. Of course all hard-core proof cannot be offered to the press because it would compromise the safety of agents.
Here is an article that critically analyzes the 70-point "evidence document" that has been released by the British government indicting Bin Ladin and Al Qaida. The writer shows that only nine of these seventy points relate directly to the events of September 11, and that all of the evidence is weak and circumstancial. The document itself even begins with the disclaimer that "This document does not purport to provide a prosecutable case against Osama Bin Laden in a court of law. Intelligence often cannot be used evidentially, due both to the strict rules of admissibility and the need to protect the safety of sources. But on the basis of all the information available Her Majesty's Government is confident of its conclusions as expressed in this document."
Not enough to convict in a court of law, but enough to render judgment and go to war?!
And why is the British government taking the lead in investigating an attack that occurred on American soil? Why do they suddenly appear to have all the evidence and all the answers, with a tear-jerking, supportive and noble speech of solidarity and brotherhood from Tony Blair to boot?
Bin Ladin has always been an agent of British Intelligence. After America retaliated for the bombing of the American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania by launching cruise missiles at Bin Ladin's bases in Afghanistan he reassured Britain, through the London-based Al Quds Al Arabi daily newpaper, that he was "only interested in hitting the U.S. and Israel." Afterwards, Bin Ladin's London-based spokesman, Omar Bakri, re-emphasized to the London-based Arabic daily Al Sharq Al Awsat, that "we have a covenant of peace with the British government." Well, for their betrayal the British must realize that Bin Ladin's covenant of peace with them has expired.
Yes, Bin Ladin was a British/NWO pawn, and his usefulness will be complete when he is punished for the September 11 atrocities.
And the true masterminds run free...
-- October 8,
In a Newsmax.com article it was shown that a prominant Russian economic expert predicted that a major disaster would soon strike the United States. Dr. Tatyana Koryagina, a senior research fellow in the Institute of Macroeconomic Researches subordinated to the Russian Ministry of Economic Development, and reportedly close to President Putins inner circle, stated in a July 12 interview in Pravda:
"The U.S. has been chosen as the object of financial attack because the financial center of the planet is located there. The effect will be maximal. The strike waves of economic crisis will spread over the planet instantly, and will remind us of the blast of a huge nuclear bomb."
Dr. Koryagina was reached after the September 11 disasters and she commented:
"As a result [of the attacks] a significant part of the world financial network was paralyzed. This strike was aimed at destabilization and destruction of America and [in domino fashion] all the countries making countless billions of dollars."
The article continues and states:
"Who is behind these strikes? Koryagina claims the U.S. is painting a false picture. She said the operation was not the work of 19 terrorists but a larger group seeking to reshape the world. She claimed a group of extremely powerful private persons, with total assets of about $300 trillion, intends to legalize its power and to become the new world government. The Sept. 11 strikes showed that this group is afraid of nothing -- human lives have zero value for them."
Two additional questions regarding the September 11 attacks:
1. The media has created an uproar about the supposed huge failure of American intelligence agencies in preventing the attacks. But who should be the nation held responsible here? Bin Ladin's Western base of operations was in Great Britain, and as related above, he had many contacts and operatives living in the city of London itself. Where was British Intelligence during the months and years of planning for these attacks? Where the hell was James Bond? If the attacks were done without British knowledge, then their failure is inexcusable, because the planning was done in their very living room. The only other option is that British Intelligence did not fail, and that MI-6 is another weapon in the elites war for world domination.
2. In the days after the attacks the media was able to fan the flames of knee-jerk anti-Muslim hatred by pointing out the fact that a number of transactions such as puts and short selling was done in the financial markets, by a number of shadowy investors, with the goal of benefitting from a major financial markets crash, especially in airline stocks. Many people were getting rich and benefitting from the American suffering. However, in the weeks since, this subject seems to have disappeared from the list of "talking points" that are covered each evening in the network news. My hunch is that it was not a bunch of shadowy fugitives from justice that benefitted from the disaster, but rather the group mentioned by Dr. Koryagina above, the "extremely private persons,"
who already have assets over and above $300 trillion. Will the media ever provide the public with a list of the transactions and the persons involved in them, who benefitted from the disasters? Well, it should be obvious that they know better than to do that.
PORT CHARLOTTE -- Eight people were decontaminated Tuesday after being exposed to a white powdery substance through the mail. Three -- possibly four -- suspicious packages were found throughout Charlotte County.
Two Port Charlotte residents opened a "suspiciously-marked" package that contained a white powdery substance at their Sarasota County business, said Wayne Sallade, director of Charlotte County Emergency Management.
The husband and wife then left the package at the business and drove to Bon Secours-St. Joseph's Hospital in Port Charlotte.
The husband and wife were isolated, decontaminated and tested to make sure the white powdery substance is not anthrax or another harmful chemical, Sallade said. The nurse who greeted the couple was also decontaminated
An official at the hospital said the package delivered to the couple contained "Middle Eastern writing."
Fifteen to 20 similar incidents occurred throughout Florida on Tuesday, Sallade said.
"This has happened in numerous locations around the state and nearly half have turned out to be powdered starch," Sallade said..... [more]
Venice is in Charlotte County.
To the best of my knowledge, none of them have demonstrated any special knowledge that they know for a fact that there is nothing else going on. Lacking a demonstrably comprehensive grasp on all there is to know, the only thing left for these people is faith. They just simply believe the news stories, and unless they are told something different by govt propaganda outlets, their thinking stops.
If someone tries to assemble the observable facts, and tries to draw inferences from them, that might likely point to other causes behind the 9/11/01 tragedy, the list of posters below dismiss the excercise of such deductive reasoning, reasoning based upon history, and facts at hand, automatically. Obviously, they take it on faith that there is no possibility whatsoever that this horrible tragedy is just another piece to a growing and concluding puzzle of design, by people whose existence they cannot comprehend or understand, to shape the world into their image.
What amazes me is how people who really know very little about these matters can be so sure of themselves they got it right. Instead of probing, searching, asking questions, making new assumptions, and even going a little extra out of their way to excercise a little more common sense than usual, they shut off from their minds that which conflicts with what they believe. I can say one thing for sure -- nobody that posts on this site knows for sure what the h* is going on. But when we examine the effect of the tragedy, who gains, and who loses, in the context of 20th century economic and political history, as well as the very recent one that immediately preceeded this tragedy, I wonder how credible it is to instantly dismiss every thought, or notion, that this type of event is being at least capitalized on, if not altogether designed, by the primary beneficiaries of it after the fact?
Ultimately, the central purpose of the author's argument in post 1 is that if the USA is to be truly free, secure, and prosperous, it must disengage from anyone, and/or any government, and/or any foriegn entanglement that fits the above description. There are practical, legislative steps we can take as We The People to remove the curse over the USA. But if we bury our heads in the sand, and stick our fingers in our ears, refusing to even consider the possibility that very powerful people in the world are jerking the USA around, and that we'd be much better off without them doing so, what hope does the USA have going forward? None, as far as I can tell.
So for future reference, for all thinking people on this site, here is a partial list of ear pluggers who do not want to hear what you have to say. And if they are successful, they will have your thoughts banished from this site. Considering I have not seen them demonstrate any special talent in terms of analysis, or proferring an opinion, or making an expert, detailed opinion that proves conclusively that all parts of our author's argument have no basis of fact, I think it is fair to say that unless these posters can actually do so, for them to dismiss out of hand the premise we find alluded to in the above, ultimately, these posters lack credibility.
sinkspur
Hillary's Lovely Legs
dighton
Darth Reagan
Raging Against the machine
Impeach the Boy
Seeking the truth
tuesday afternoon
r9etb
F-117A
PSYCHO-FREEP
Poohbah
hflynn
KirkandBurke
Seeking the truth
Dataman
dighton
dubyaismypresident
Roebucks
headsonpikes
dead
Trident/Delta
_Jim
Patriot76
Alas Babylon!
Billthedrill
one_particular_harbour
Redleg Duke
Josiah6
roughrider
knews_hound
Ole Okie
mangomooli
The posters below have demonstrated they are receptive to thoughts and ideas that could lead them to a better understanding of what is going on:
freedomnews
It'salmosttolate
lavaroise
Aerial
DAGO
jamesbond
zadok
AMMON-CENTRIST
spoosman
Woodkirk
Dixielander
Political Junkie Too
Just on this thread alone, the numbers breakdown this way: 31 against any consideration of any thought or idea that is not repeated by the network news ten times a day and 12 that are hungry for the truth, and want to do something about it.
In percentage terms, that is 72% that are spoon fed and digest easily govt/media propaganda, and 28% who do not. And this is on a web site that has as its original stated purpose to see America restored to its original, constitutional foundation. Considering how that constitution has been so bastardized over the years, and what has happened to our country as a result, I think that is a great objective. But unless the 72/28 ratio gets flipped around, we'll not likely see Mssr. Robinson's goal achieved in our lifetimes. We'll end up being specatators of the nation's demise, and we'll watch it on TV, having ended up doing little or nothing to stop it, because the 72 refused to consider who the real enemies are, what their tactics are, and thus did not develop a gameplan for true American renewal and revival.
Of course, I already have talked about this long before the recent round of poop hit the fan. I just did not think the creeps would stoop as low as they have. I underestimated the determination they have to get their NWO moving forward, apparently at an accelerated rate.
The views expressed on this thread only help the process of getting the the truth. I have never stated at anytime in the past I have all the answers, but when I start reading comments like the above, and place them into the context of banished thought they only tend to strengthen the hypothesis, and not weaken it. I would like to get more names, and faces. But that will come in due course. If the 72/28 ratio starts to invert, then we might just get to the bottom of this mess, and chart a better course for the USA.
Lastly, I am happy to find myself in the 28. In my business, I have found that the crowd is usually wrong at critical junctures. We are at such a juncture, and things being the way they are, knowing that the odds of any of the 72 ever changing their disposition towards seeking, or desiring the truth (the 72 fairly, imo, representing the greater population in the USA), I think we can expect things to simply get far worse. If the twin towers collapsing into dust doesn't wake people up, I wonder what will?
31 against any consideration of any thought or idea that is not repeated by the network news ten times a day and 12 that are hungry for the truth, and want to do something about it. In percentage terms, that is 72% that are spoon fed and digest easily govt/media propaganda, and 28% who do not
Great debating technique. Those who agree with me hunger for the truth those who dont are idiots.
Dude, Im sorry that I dont share your David Rockefeller is the all-powerful anti-Christ worldview.
And Im still waiting for some verifiable proof of your dopey Kissinger quote. Let me guess, the Queen of England ate it.
To: ratcat Here it is:
To: flamefront
Byron pulls the usual leftist spin: One of Bushs original partners in his oil company - which initially bore the name Arbusto Corp. had been a fellow named James Bath.
James Bath was up to his eyeballs in the S&L shakedown.
BATH, JAMES: Houston airplane company owner; CIA asset; associated with Reza Pahlavi, son of the late Shah of Iran; business partner of LAN BENTSEN, son of former Texas Senator LLOYD BENTSEN; business partner of GEORGE W. BUSH; borrowed from looted LAMAR SAVINGS and MAINLAND SAVINGS.
More on Bath from THE MAFIA, THE CIA, AND GEORGE BUSH by Pete Brewton, concerning the S&L scandal:
BATH was born in 1936 in Natchitoches, Louisiana. He joined the Air Force, where he was a fighter pilot for five years. His service included three years stationed ay Richards-Gebaur Air Force Base south of Kansas City. When he left the Air Force, BATH moved to Houston, Texas, where he immediately began flying almost full time for the Air National Guard. While in the Air National Guard, BATH met GEORGE W. BUSH, and they became good friends. BATH also met LLOYD BENTSEN III, a son of the Democratic Senator from Texas while serving in the Air Guard.
After the Air Guard, BATH sold aircraft for BROWN AERO CORPORATION in Houston for three years, then took a position with ATLANTIC AVIATION CORPORATION to help open a Houston office for them. ATLANTIC AVIATION is headquartered in Wilmington, Delaware, and is reportedly the largest business-aircraft sales and service company in the world. It is owned by EDWARD DUPONT, the richest of the DUPONT family, active in Republican Party politics in Delaware and cousin of PIERRE ("PETE") DUPONT, former Delaware Governor. RICHARD C. DUPONT was on the board of ATLANTIC AVIATION and also owned the CIA-connected SUMMIT AVIATION.
While working with ATLANTIC AVIATION, BATH negotiated a distribution deal with ISRAEL AIRCRAFT INDUSTRIES (IAI), founded by ADOLF SCHWIMMER, and American-born Israeli arms dealer and special advisor to Israeli Prime Minister SHIMON PERES. SCHWIMMER and YAACOV NIMRODI, former Israeli Defense Attache to Tehran), ADNAN KHASHOGGI and others began devising ways to gain release of hostages being held in Lebanon and open dialogue with Iran. Through this group came the TOW missile shipments in the Fall of 1985.
In 1973, BATH quit ATLANTIC AVIATION, forming BATH/BENTSEN interests with LLOYD ("LAN") BENTSEN III. BATH/BENTSEN developed an apartment complex outside Houston, some airport hangars, and other real estate ventures. BENTSEN and BATH supposedly parted company in 1976, but BATH continued to use BATH/BENTSEN letterheads for correspondence up to 1990.
In 1976, BATH formed JIM BATH & ASSOCIATES, and was named trustee for SHEIKH SALEM BIN LADEN of Saudi Arabia, a member of the family that owns the largest construction company in the Middle East. BATH's job was to handle all of BIN LADEN's North American investments and operations. SALEM BIN LADEN is OSAMA BIN LADEN's half brother. SALEM BIN LADEN's father, MUHAMMED BIN LADEN, was a patient of the physician father of CIA-connected arms merchant ADNAN KHASHOGGI. MUHAMMED BIN LADEN got ADNAN KHASHOGGI involved in his first deal as a middle man. This was a truck sale that Khashoggi engineereed in the 1950s just as he returned from college in America. KHASHOGGI returned the $25,000 commission to MUHAMMED BIN LADEN, who returned it to KHASHOGGI.
Arab business started pouring into JIM BATH & ASSOCIATES. BATH became trustee for SHEIKH ABDULLAH BAROOM, the owner of a large Saudi cement and steel company. Then came the business of SHEIKH KHALID BIN MAHFOUTZ, the former CEO of National Commercial Bank, Saudi Arabia's biggest bank. SHEIKH KAHLID was CEO of National Commercial Bank until one week after he and HAROON KAHLOON were indicted in New York on charges they had schemed to defraud depositors, regulators, and auditors of the insolvent BANK OF CREDIT AND COMMERCE INTERNATIONAL (BCCI). The Federal Reserve Board than found that SHEIKH KAHLID had violated American banking laws in his attempt to acquire FIRST AMERICAN BANCSHARES, an affair that involved CLARK CLIFFORD) in concert with BCCI. SHEIKH KAHLID's assets in the United States were frozen.
CHARLES W. "BILL" WHITE, who graduated from the US NAVAL ACADEMY in the same class as OLIVER NORTH, became one of BATH's closest business associates. WHITE stated that BATH had told him that BATH was working for the CIA. BATH had been recruited in 1976 by GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH when BUSH was CIA Director. BATH's job was to monitor Arab investments in the United States.
That's all for now.
Am I wrong in believing that you accept its veracity?
No one really works against the Illuminati. The Illuminati is all-powerful, all-knowing, and controls everything. You may think you're working against the Illuminati, but you are only being manipulated by the Illuminati, and are really doing work that only advances their agenda. Even those who post such material, thinking that they are "disclosing" the hidden agenda of the Illuminati, are really only publishing those items of information the Illuminati want to be published.
I hope this provides the answer you were seeking. If not, I'll be glad to consult with my Illuminati master and see if the Illuminati wish to share more with you. If you so desire, we could probably arrange for a meeting between you and your personal Illuminati master cutting out the "middle man", so to speak.
Just remember, they are all-knowing and all-powerful. Resistance is not only futile but the very act of resisting only furthers their aim. In fact, not resisting futhers their aim too. I'm sure your personal Illuminati master will explain this and other things as well.
By Daniel Hopsicker--Part 4
Questions mount about the precise nature of the conspiracy which took down the World Trade Center on Sept 11, even as the time for asking them grows urgently short.
Justice, vengeance, and our duty to our dead demand adherence to a simple progression.
Identify the bad guys who killed our people. Find the bad guys who killed our people. Kill them.
London England to Venice, Florida. Macro to micro. Tony Blair sketches out the Cliff notes version of the case against Bin Laden. He says, "Al Qaeda is a terrorist organization with ties to a global network."
"A global network."
What global network? A global network of what? Said global network assisted terrorist cadre. Said global network otherwise remains shadowy and undefined.
London England to Venice, Florida. Macro to micro. A massive flight training operation funnels hundreds of foreign national pilots here. Noise complaints heat up City Council meetings. Rudi Dekkers operation makes Big Noise. "During a period of two hours some 90 flights went over... 15 planes flying overhead six times each."
"Fifteen planes overhead."
A terrorist squadron. Bin Laden Air.
Three weeks later on the tarmac at the Venice Airport they are standing clear of Rudi Dekkers. Former associates plead ignorance. They are "no longer with the company."
More is learned about Rudi Dekkers. Rudis $500,000 yacht rocks at anchor in Naples, Florida. Rudi has Big Friends. Rudi has Big Problems. Rudis stock is Marked Down. Rudis story does not cohere. Rudis friends are in High Places. Down on the tarmac Rudi is Mucho Unloved.
If the FBI is buying Rudis act, it isnt because of his sterling reputation. "I tolerated Rudi's advances because I needed to keep my job," said former Dekkers employee Nicole Antini.
Two weeks before the World Trade Center attack she filed suit to force him to enforce the settlement of a sexual harassment charge. Dekkers agreed to settle for $15,000. Now he was balking at paying. "As long as I have worked at Huffman Aviation," Nicole said, "I have been subjected to sexual harassment by Rudi Dekkers."
Dekkers Venice Florida flight school was terrorist American beachhead. Huffman Aviation was terrorist Omaha Beach. The FBI pointedly saidearlythey knew about terrorists rotating through Rudi Dekkers flight school in Venice, Florida. They leave hanging the question of why they did nothing to shut it down.
Dekkers waxes indignant. "I don't need anything from you, just a check to start flying."
Dekkers tells reporters how he happened to provide pilot training to the terrorist cadre:
"We're just a business."
Consider the (business) logic.
Two Dutch nationals, Arne Kruithof and Rudi Dekkers, buy two flight training schools at the way-off-the-beaten-track Venice Florida airport in 1998.
Dekkers begins extensive "marketing" in Belgium and Germany. Atta live in Germany. Mohamed Atta and at least four of his terrorist cadre leave Germany. They move directly to Venice, Florida.
They do not pass "go." If they collect $200, it comes in useful, because now they are in pilot training with Dekkers and Kruithof. Pilot training is expensive.
Atta and Al-Shehhi pay $38,000 between them. Dekkers is training 500 foreign national pilots at two separate facilities.
Yet, out at the Venice Municipal Airport, Rudi is falling behind on his rent.
Right now there are people in Federal custody whose connections with the terrorists are far less suspicious. Both men are foreign nationals and thus presumed to be flight risks. Yet neither Dekkers nor Kruithof is being held.
Big Clout. Big Friends. Big Trouble. Big Charade.
"We're just a business."
What global network? A global network of what?
The birth of the Lone (Nut) Cadre theory.
Dekkers and Kruithofs importance grew this week when the Washington Post proposed the Lone (Nut) Cadre theory, which is now, they report, the operative assumption in the FBIs investigation.
"The 19 hijackers who carried out the worst act of terror ever to occur on U.S. soil worked with little outside help as a single, integrated group," said the Post in a Sunday report on the state of the investigation.
"Little outside help."
"As more of the conspiracy becomes understood, government sources now say that the investigation so far suggests the 19 had "no major help" in the United States," wrote Post reporter Amy Goldstein.
"No major help."
"The FBI investigation into the plot is preliminary, and the conspiracy's precise nature probably will not be understood for years."
If the conspiracys precise nature wont be understood for years, how can they rule out domestic involvement?
A Federal Agency with a preference for lone (nut) gunmen floats a Lone (Nut) Cadre trial balloon.
Think 19 Lee Harvey Oswalds.
Think squads of lone gunmen.
Attas cadre was a Lone Cadre. Doing Lone Cadre-like things. Acting, Always, Alone...at least while in this country. No one else involved. No Higher Ups.
Tony Blairs global network explanation now obsolete. Replaced by Lone (Nut) Cadre theory.
Think FBI. Think Whitewater. Watergate. Kennedy.
Think cover up.
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman."
"We're just a business."
The Sarasota FBI office, responsible for the Venice airport investigation, has so far not offered their version of what Rudi Dekkers was up to.
Were Middle Eastern terrorists wandering the Florida Panhandle and Gulf Coast as comfortably as if theyd been listening to Tom Petty records all their lives?
Or is something else the case? Might Rudi Dekkers and Arne Kruithof work for the CIA? Might the CIA have been training Bin Laden operatives as part of an intelligence operation designed to try to penetrate his organization?
Might that explain FBI lack of interest in the two Venice Dutch Boys?
When commercial flights resumed at Venice Municipal Airport after the Sept 11 disaster the first plane to take off was an Air Sunshine flight, part of a fleet based in Fort Lauderdale. The only passenger was the pilot. There was little other activity at the airport. Members of the media outnumbered pilots or passengers in the lobby of Huffman Aviation, watching national broadcasts about the attacks.
Air Sunshine is owned by one Mirmohammed Adili, whose large family is involved in numerous aviation and import-export ventures. It is one of just two air carriers the American military lets fly into the U.S. Naval Base at Guantanamo, Cuba. Mirmohammed Adili's Air Sunshine is in Fort Lauderdale.
Just six months before they hijacked commercial planes and slammed them into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon, bin Laden operatives tried to buy a multi-million dollar Boeing 727.
They found a willing broker in... Fort Lauderdale. It is just coincidence. The Lone Cadre received "no major outside help."
Atta didnt Keep A Diary. Instead, Atta Left A Will.
When its released experts read Atta as Saudi Wahhabi. A fundamentalist puritanical strain. No women at the funeral. No flowers. No wailing. No gnashing of terrorist teeth.
But Atta is Arab elite commando. Atta is Arab elite. Attas Father is Egyptian diplomat/lawyer. Elite make poor fundamentalists. Too much money to be made to spend time speaking in tongues. Rockefellers dont handle snakes at Monday night revivals.
What induced Islamic terrorists to move to a retirement enclave with more golf carts than cars? It couldn't have been the nightlife.
But these terrorists--strange for devout Muslims, it seems-- dig lively nightlife. Devout Muslims abstain from alcohol. These Muslims order premium brands. These Muslims enjoy a night on the town as much as any Infidel.
Federal agents flash pictures at a South Florida bar of the two terrorist pilots who just a day earlier had demolished the World Trade Center. One of them drank Stolichnaya vodka for three straight hours, one bartender remembers.
"Muslim extremist" Marwan al-Shehhi was drinking rum.
Was Mohammed Atta a "devout Islamic fundamentalist?" Saudi puritanical or Stoli guy?
Mohammed Atta is Islamic Stolichnaya
48 hours after the slaying of John Fitzgerald Kennedy a CIA pilot named David Ferrie was under suspicion of participation in the assassination conspiracy. Thirty years later Joe Pesci plays Ferrie in Oliver Stones JFK the movie.
48 hours after the September 11th attack, a flight school owner named Rudi Dekkers, known to have trained virtually the entire terrorist pilot cadre, and a possible CIA asset, seemed impervious to suspicion. What suspicions? He was being booked onto Larry King Live.
The National Enquirer has the hot headline of the week:
"Terrorists Still in America."
"Where they are. What theyre doing. How you can spot them."
Do America a favor. Drop a copy at your local FBI.
Good. I'm happy to be included in your list of "ear pluggers," and would be most distressed otherwise.
Always remember that you cannot, on a factual basis, win an argument with the conspiracy crowd since you must prove the non-existance of their conspiracy and, to them, the lack of evidence of a conspiracy is the best evidence that the conspiracy exists, a true "catch-22" situation where the proof that the conspiracy doesn't exist becomes the proof that it must exist otherwise there would be no proof that it doesn't exist. (If you can follow that logic then you can understand the basis of most conspiracy theories.)
What planet are you from?
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