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THE REAL BIN LADEN-Must read!!
World Net Daily ^ | 10/08/01 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 10/07/2001 11:43:07 PM PDT by abigail2

The real bin Laden
by Joseph Farah

I just finished a book I consider a must-read for every American who wants to understand our common enemy in this terror war.

After reading Yossef Bodansky's "Bin Laden: The Man Who Declared War on America," I fear our leaders may be seriously underestimating the capabilities of this terrorist leader.

Read it and you will no longer have any doubts that this war has been waged against us for a long time. Only on Sept. 11 did most Americans wake up to the threat that has been looming for years. This has been, until now, a totally one-sided war.

What do I mean?

I mean I am now 100 percent convinced that bin Laden operatives were behind the downing of TWA Flight 800 and the Oklahoma City federal building bombing, as well as with the terrorist acts U.S. officials have previously charged him – the bombing of the USS Cole, the Khobar Towers bombing and the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

Osama bin Laden is one capable terrorist. But he is much more than that.

Bin Laden has worked throughout his terrorist career with many state sponsors – including, but not limited to, Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Pakistan and Afghanistan. So cunning is this mastermind of terror that he successfully bridged the ideological and religious gap between Sunnis and Shiites, he successfully brought together in partnership Iran and Iraq despite their bloody differences that resulted in a war that killed more than 1 million people, and he successfully has won the hearts and minds of millions of radical Muslims worldwide.

The worst mistake we could make is to underestimate him and the vastness of his terrorist cabal, which includes many of our so-called allies in this war.

Bodansky reported in this prophetic book, first published in 1999 and republished quickly following the Sept. 11 attacks, bin Laden's goals of destroying U.S. airliners and other strategic and civilian targets. His No. 1 enemy is the United States. How U.S. intelligence agencies could have missed this threat is hard to understand. All they had to do was read Bodansky's book to have a complete understanding of what makes him tick and how he operates.

This is going to be a tougher fight than the West faced with communism. Mutually assured destruction will not work as a deterrent. They will stop only when their ultimate goal is achieved or they are all dead.

What is their ultimate goal? World domination by the kind of Islamic radicalism we see in the Taliban Afghan regime or in Sudan or in Iran.

"We believe that God used our holy war in Afghanistan to destroy the Russian army and the Soviet Union … and now we ask God to use us one more time to do the same to America, to make it a shadow of itself," bin Laden told an interviewer in 1977.

They have been working on this plan diligently for years. Beginning in the mid-1990s, bin Laden's operatives and closest allies began establishing a terrorist infrastructure right here in the United States.

Right under our noses, Ayman al-Zawahiri, bin Laden's right-hand man, established residency in California, setting up terrorist networks, making key contacts and laundering funds to be used in this war against us.

Let's assume there are, as Muslims claim, some 7 million Islamic followers in the U.S. Is it inconceivable that 10 percent of them are sympathetic to bin Laden's goals? That's an army of 700,000. But maybe that's too many. Let's suppose it's only 1 percent. That's a fifth column of 70,000. But let's be really, really conservative and say it's only .1 percent. That's 7,000 potential operatives living right here in the USA.

No wonder there are those in government who admit the chances of further dramatic terrorist attacks on the U.S. are 100 percent.

While I hope and pray the attacks on Afghanistan inflicted heavy, irreparable damage to bin Laden's death machine in Afghanistan, I fear this war is just beginning. I fear America is woefully unprepared for what's coming. And I pray that our leaders and the citizens of the United States will read this book and begin to understand the danger this foe presents to our civilization and way of life


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To: abigail2
Bodansky reported in this prophetic book, first published in 1999 and republished quickly following the Sept. 11 attacks, bin Laden's goals of destroying U.S. airliners and other strategic and civilian targets. His No. 1 enemy is the United States. How U.S. intelligence agencies could have missed this threat is hard to understand. All they had to do was read Bodansky's book to have a complete understanding of what makes him tick and how he operates.

I like Farah and generally trust him but who is Bodansky and why should US intelligence have given him any credence? I don't ask this question flippantly...I really don't know who he is and what his credentials are. Can someone fill me in?

82 posted on 10/08/2001 9:32:46 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: Nogbad
Thanks...you answered my question before I even asked it. Should have read a few posts first. You're right...they should have known him and should have read his book. I certainly hope W reads it. I'm ordering it today from Amazon. I ordered a copy of the hadith yesterday and almost bought this too.
83 posted on 10/08/2001 9:35:30 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: nunya bidness
Thanks. More and more I'm looking at this as a small part of a bigger power play. Think "Osama of Arabia." No?

Yeah...Osama of Arabia, King of the Pan Islamic Realm?

84 posted on 10/08/2001 9:47:28 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: ratcat
A shoulder fired missile can easily reach the altitude of the plane.

From straight up underneath the plane. A very odd place for any shoulder fired missile to be launched. It requires being directly under the flight path, and anticipating when the plane will be at an optimum point straight above so that the missile can reach the target. And it potentially places the shooter under the falling debris field.

But that's moot. Eyewitnesses described that whatever (ordnance?) they saw was traveling across the sky as well as up, and even rough estimates of the distance put it beyond the capabililties of a shoulder fired weapon.

85 posted on 10/08/2001 9:53:23 PM PDT by KillerWabbit
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To: pgkdan
Yeah...Osama of Arabia, King of the Pan Islamic Realm?

It could be as simple as a prodigal son returning home to claim his throne as the rightful heir (sic) to the throne.

I mean sometimes you've got to get your hands dirty in a third world country to prove you can lead. And 9-11 was a moment. Wasn't it?

86 posted on 10/08/2001 10:02:03 PM PDT by nunya bidness
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To: nunya bidness
There are a half dozen "shahs" who could be overthrown by "ayatollahs" in any bad month from here on out.
87 posted on 10/08/2001 10:37:09 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: ratcat
There's a whole bunch of terrorist murders of Americans that have not been dealt with by our leaders. Thank God we have Bush, I think we would be toast with Gore.
88 posted on 10/08/2001 10:40:20 PM PDT by fabian
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To: 2sheep
There is a lot in this link on the meaning of September 11 -- a real "who done it?" including perpetrators' motives, Biblical numerics of 11 and occult meanings of 11.

It has nothing to do with numerics or occult meanings.

September 11, 1922 was the day the British authorities were sworn in accordance with the Palestine Mandate of the League of Nations in 1922.

That's the 80 years bin Laden was talking about.

89 posted on 10/08/2001 10:48:23 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: Travis McGee; Alexandre
Having read Stephen Jones' "OTHERS UNKNOWN", I remember how his investigations as McVeigh's defence attorney took Mr. Jones to the Phillipines and Middle East - checking leads to Islamic Fundamentalists connected somehow to Afghanistan. For some reason, the FBI needed a much simpler case to prosecute. McVeigh's accomplice had the connections to the Phillipino radicals.

To understand how old this war really is, one must know the origins of conflict between Christianity and Islam. The Russian Orthodox churches in Eastern Europe are often seen with an Orthodox cross at the top, set into an upturned half moon. This is I believe symbolic of the victory of Christianity over (slavery to) Islamic forces in greater Russia and other slavic nations.

Armenia and Georgia asked Empress Catherine the Great to send troops to their protection from the Islamic Chechens who were raiding their villiages and causing great havoc - plus selling their children to the Turks.

An old battle indeed! One should read "Land Of The Firebird" by Suzanne Massie; re: Old Russia.

90 posted on 10/08/2001 11:06:09 PM PDT by Yougottabekidding
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To: Stingray
How many of them work on the ramp - with aircraft access and A&P licenses - at JFK?
91 posted on 10/08/2001 11:09:16 PM PDT by Yougottabekidding
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To: RoseyT
Thanks. I've been looking for that map again, too.
92 posted on 10/08/2001 11:31:47 PM PDT by CIApilot
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To: abigail2
Here he is:


93 posted on 10/09/2001 12:08:20 AM PDT by jws3sticks
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To: RnMomof7; 2sheep; John Jamieson
Daniel 4 Nebuchadnezzar's Dream

10"These were the visions of my head while on my bed:


        I was looking, and behold,
        A tree in the midst of the earth,
        And its height was great.
11The tree grew and became strong;
        Its height reached to the heavens,
        And it could be seen to the ends of all the earth.
12Its leaves were lovely,
        Its fruit abundant,
        And in it was food for all.
        The beasts of the field found shade under it,
        The birds of the heavens dwelt in its branches,
        And all flesh was fed from it.


13"I saw in the visions of my head while on my bed, and there was a watcher, a holy one, coming down from heaven. 14He cried aloud and said thus:


        "Chop down the tree and cut off its branches,
        Strip off its leaves and scatter its fruit.
        Let the beasts get out from under it,
        And the birds from its branches.
15Nevertheless leave the stump and roots in the earth,
Bound with a band of iron and bronze,
        In the tender grass of the field.
        Let it be wet with the dew of heaven,
        And let him graze with the beasts
        On the grass of the earth.
16Let his heart be changed from that of a man,
        Let him be given the heart of a beast,
        And let seven times pass over him.


17"This decision is by the decree of the watchers,
        And the sentence by the word of the holy ones,
        In order that the living may know
        That the Most High rules in the kingdom of men,
        Gives it to whomever He will,
        And sets over it the lowest of men.'

***

"Bound with a band of iron and bronze"
Where else do we find "iron and bronze?"

Daniel 7
19"Then I wished to know the truth about the fourth beast, which was different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, with its teeth of iron and its nails of bronze, which devoured, broke in pieces, and trampled the residue with its feet; 20and the ten horns that were on its head, and the other horn which came up, before which three fell, namely, that horn which had eyes and a mouth which spoke pompous words, whose appearance was greater than his fellows.
21"I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, 22until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom.

You can strike iron against bronze and it won't cause sparks, that's why they're used to build oil wells. Deuteronomy 33:25

Nebuchadnezzar's Dream was also directed at the prince of Persia

1. A "Watcher" comes to cut the tree down. Gabriel and Michael are "Watchers."

2. The prince of Persia withstands a messenger for 21 days, why? Daniel 10

3. In Daniel 10:20 the messenger says he's going back to fight the prince of Persia and then the prince of Greece will come.

4. The prince of Persia gets cut down and thrown into the pit, but he returns.

In Revelation 11:7 a beast comes up out of the pit.

Revelation 17
7 But the angel said to me, "Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns. 8 The beast that you saw was, [Daniel's time] and is not, [John's time] and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 9 "Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.

Seven mountains, aka Beast's headquarters

***

Some Rules Used to Find Remez

  Remez is a method of textual interpretation long used by Jewish students. The student's mind is set in the mode of "search". He needs to look for "…a hint, a symbol, or something hidden" in a specific word or passage, that is connective in types. Does a word or phrase really have a second meaning different from it's literal meaning? The following rules are some that the reader will draw on as he searches and finds remez:

  1.      Look to Israel as the signs and symbols. Yeshayah (Isaiah) 8:18; Devarim (Deuteronomy) 28:46. Such functions as history, holy days, Temple construction, objects, and the like.

2.      Look for a redeemer (Messiah) as well as anti-Messiah types.

3.      Examine numbers as symbols to convey more information.

4.      Examine words used as metaphors, e.g., bread as Bread of Life, water as Living Water.

5.      Determine the Hebrew meaning of people's names, place names, tribes, etc. These are usually proper nouns, commonly found in Gesenius Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon to the OT.

6.      Note the role of the good women (faithful) vs. the bad women (unfaithful – harlot, prostitute, or whore).

7.      Look for the allegorical story contained in the TaNaK to those found in the Apostolic Writings.

8.      Look for an adversary in the stories.

9.      Closely examine the true definition of words in Scripture, especially figures of speech.

10.   Note that the stories are types of "… what has been before, will be again" Kohelet (Ecclesiastes) 1:9-10

11.   Correct translations of Hebrew and Greek text is essential to be able to find symbols.

12.   Examine short stories and parables as conveying a second coming (Kingdom) message.

Messiah in Remez

95 posted on 10/09/2001 7:51:01 AM PDT by Jeremiah Jr
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To: truth_seeker
All of this "peaceful, good American" crap must end immediately. It should be replaced with: "we now consider every middle east or muslim person in the US, who is not a citizen, to be a potential threat. Please provide your local police with contact information, name, address, description."

May I go one further?Every citizen that is a Muslim should have a complete backround check..we have turned citizens over that were Nazis 60 years ago..the difference is they were white..so Political Correctness was a not an issue we could do the right thing

We need checks on every single Muslim that lives in this country..citizen or not..if there are ties to terrorism,out they go!

96 posted on 10/09/2001 8:01:59 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: 2sheep
MadIvan posted the same or similar thread with a photo of bin Laden and 22 of his siblings (wonder how many are illegitimate). The Real bin Laden
97 posted on 10/09/2001 8:29:56 AM PDT by Prodigal Daughter
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To: 2sheep, John Jamieson
Last night I heard Brit Hume and Fred Barnes commenting on how something of importance happened in then Palestine in 1922 subsequent to the Mandate that was signed in June or July and the date was excatly 9-11. I missed exactly what they were referring to but they seemed to know what OBL was alluding to in his comment about how approximately 80 years ago some travesty happened with regards to Islam. I've tried to research it this morning and so far to no avail.
98 posted on 10/09/2001 9:09:07 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: abigail2
Thanks for the flag, and BTTT for your post #7.
99 posted on 10/10/2001 2:54:55 AM PDT by summer
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To: fabian
I'm sure we would be toast with Gore! LOL! God has given us a blessing in allowing the election to go like it did. God loves us and wants us to learn from this and come back to him.
100 posted on 10/10/2001 8:38:11 PM PDT by abigail2
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