Is it History's `End' or `Clash of Civilizations?"

Miami Herald ^ | October 7, 2001 | Scott Shane

[Sabertooth]

After just seeing Osama bin Laden's pre-taped threat against every American, from borders North, South, East, and West, unless the US pulls out of Israel and Saudi Arabia, who can doubt Huntington's "Clash of Civilizations" Thesis?

Bin Laden also threatened the "moderate" Islamic states who are in the "coalition" against Al Quaeda, and threw in with Iraq. All as expected.

This is jihad. This is going to be long and bloody... at home and abroad.

Choose sides.

[PrivacyChampion]

Clash of Civilizations. Onward, Chrisitian Soliders, annihilate the enemy; vanquish the fallen; protect Christianity.

[DoctorMichael]

".......it is the end of the beginning".

-Winston Churchill

[LadyDoc]

What do we make of the willingness of 19 young Muslim men to sacrifice their lives to kill thousands of Americans they didn't know?

Ah, but what do we make of 346 young American firefighters sacrificing their lives to rescue thousands of Americans, British, Filippino, Mexican, Kurd, Pakistani, Hindu, San Salvadorean, Honduran, Irish, Canadian, Colombian, Dominican, German, Italian, etc. etc. who were stranded in the World Trade towers?

[Sabertooth]

"Ah, but what do we make of 346 young American firefighters sacrificing their lives to rescue thousands of Americans, British, Filippino, Mexican, Kurd, Pakistani, Hindu, San Salvadorean, Honduran, Irish, Canadian, Colombian, Dominican, German, Italian, etc. etc. who were stranded in the World Trade towers?"

Well said, and the answer is simply this:

Our civilization is superior, our ideals more pure, and we shall emerge victorious.

[Sabertooth]

".......it is the end of the beginning".

-Winston Churchill

Indeed.

[Sabertooth]

"Actually it's just the prelude to the presidential compaign of 2004. Whether or not Bush can get Bin Laden will is a major playing chip. Whether or not we get out clean will also be a very big one."

I think it's bigger than that, though certainly the War on Terror will be central to the 2004 campaign.

It's doubtful that we will "get out clean." This is going to be like Hercules vs. the Hydra.

[SocialMeltdown]

``This centuries-old military interaction between the West and Islam is unlikely to decline. It could become more virulent,'' he wrote.

Tolerance, inclusion, diversity, and political correctness will be the end of western civilization.

Western culture will simply be eveloped and overwhelmed by "diversity" until it simply fades away.

[zeromus]

What do we make of the willingness of 19 young Muslim men to sacrifice their lives to kill thousands of Americans they didn't know?

Ah, but what do we make of 346 young American firefighters sacrificing their lives to rescue thousands of Americans, British, Filippino, Mexican, Kurd, Pakistani, Hindu, San Salvadorean, Honduran, Irish, Canadian, Colombian, Dominican, German, Italian, etc. etc. who were stranded in the World Trade towers?

Excellent point, and worth being praised as such.

[Balding_Eagle]

Western culture will simply be eveloped and overwhelmed by "diversity" until it simply fades away.

I think you are wrong, BUT, that is yet to be determined. We are off to a shaky start to ending the 'diversity suicide option'.

[Cicero]

It's the Clash of Civilizations. But Bin Laden and his friends were too impatient, and struck too soon. In another generation or two, Europe--where the white races are suicidally aborting themselves into extinction--would have been majority Muslim in the not too distant future, and the Muslim guest-workers could have taken over most of the continent without firing a shot. Now at least the Europeans have had fair warning. It remains to be seen whether they can set their decadence aside and take advantage of this last opportunity. I'm not holding my breath, but sometimes events like this can transform cultures and, in particular, force people to recognize that they can't survive or have any future unless they conceive, bear, and properly bring up children.

[Bigg Red]

This is jihad. This is going to be long and bloody... at home and abroad.

Choose sides.

As our President said: You are with us, or you are with the terrorists.

God bless our President and our brave fighting men.

[moneyrunner]

”Western culture will simply be eveloped and overwhelmed by "diversity" until it simply fades away. “

Despair like this is neither helpful nor accurate. When I see these sentiments expressed on days like this, they are tiresome and irritating.

It seems to me that some of the people expressing his kind of pre-emptive defeat are expressing their own desires. One gets the feeling that Western civilization does not deserve to survive; that the writer does not want it to survive. It’s the same expression that Hitler used as Germany was losing WW2: if his vision of Germany could not come true then Germany deserved to be destroyed.

Well, my response to that is: “NUTS!”

At a time like this, on the Free Republic forum, dedicated to the restoration of Western Civilization and individual freedom, these views are simply off base and bizarre.

Love and peace.

[Sabertooth]

"The terrorists don't come here to die just because they want to commit a crime."

The terrorists came here to KILL because they are the acolytes of a perverse and evil death cult.

[Sabertooth]

"Tolerance, inclusion, diversity, and political correctness will be the end of western civilization.

Western culture will simply be eveloped and overwhelmed by "diversity" until it simply fades away."

Choose sides.

[Sabertooth]

"It's the Clash of Civilizations. But Bin Laden and his friends were too impatient, and struck too soon. In another generation or two, Europe--where the white races are suicidally aborting themselves into extinction--would have been majority Muslim in the not too distant future, and the Muslim guest-workers could have taken over most of the continent without firing a shot. Now at least the Europeans have had fair warning."

Outstanding.

Any study of history will show that the rise and fall of civilizations is an echo of their population growth or decline.

ZPG is not only based on a Malthusian lie, it's cultural suicide.

[Sawdring]

After just seeing Osama bin Laden's pre-taped threat against every American, from borders North, South, East, and West, unless the US pulls out of Israel and Saudi Arabia, who can doubt Huntington's "Clash of Civilizations" Thesis?

Why let Bin Laden set the pace of the war? Bin Laden is trying to make this a war of civilizations. If he succeeds there will be many dead from both civilizations. Bush has defined this war as one against terrorism, Bin Laden, Al Queda and those who harbor him. If Bush succeeds then civilization on both sides will be intact. Lets support Bush's goals, not Bin Ladens.