Israeli agents live with the enemy

Washington Times ^ | 10/07/01 | Samuel M. Katz, SPECIAL TO THE WASHINGTON TIMES

[kattracks]

Two Israeli undercover agents attempting to fix their battered Subaru sedan outside a cafe in an East Jerusalem neighborhood weren't watching CNN when news of the first hijacked airliner hitting the north tower of the World Trade Center was broadcast, but they knew something big had happened.

[xm177e2]

The operators ready their costumes, their documentation and their weaponry, making sure that their Jericho pistols are clean and that their mini-Uzis and M16s are ready for action.

They are too proud to use German weapons, so they don't have MP5s...

[arielb]

we're going to need a similar organization in order to infiltrate the Taliban and possibly find OBL. But it's going to take the CIA years for them to reach the sophistication of Israel covert ops...

[onyx]

"If I was President Bush, I'd wipe them all off the face of the earth," offers C., a new immigrant from the former Soviet republic of Uzbekistan, "and I'd start right here in our own back yard."

I don't care where we start, but I do hope we wipe them all off the face of the earth!

[The KG9 Kid]

Nah, for the size of an MP5, you might as well use a CAR-15.

You know there's a world of difference between the two, judging by your screenname.

[xm177e2]

Nah, for the size of an MP5, you might as well use a CAR-15.

Depends, if you want stealth, the MP5SD5 is quieter than a CAR-15 with a silencer.

Anyway, they still use UZIs rather than the superior MP5s (or Mini UZIs instead of MP5ks), which they've done for years.

They really try to use their own weapons, and try especially hard to avoid German ones.

[Joe Brower]

Gentlemen, FYI.

[crissala]

Wow! that last paragraph sure had a lot of detailed info about these undercover operatives. Who would allow so much to be said?

[The KG9 Kid]

The IDF and Border Guards in the West Bank generally used Galil 5.56s, but they were just too heavy to lug around all day checking Palestinians' drivers licenses, combined with the slow action of an awful Kalashnikov-style safety. They prefer CAR15s, and primarily use those now. They're the older model and are very light. They stick with the 5.56 round over pistol calibers because of two reasons: 1) The Fatah, HAMAS, and Palestinian police are commonly encountered wearing Kevlar now, and 2) The 5.56 round doesn't overpenetrate too much and is still an accurate round out of a short CAR barrel.

They don't bother with supressors, because they don't care who hears them when a gunfight starts. In fact, the loud boom from a shorty-CAR tends to make civilians dive for cover. They get into a LOT of gunfights, you know.

As for the UZI, they still use those but they're issued to the Civil Defense. They're also the updated UZI that fire from the closed-bolt, instead of the less-accurate open-bolt of the original design. There are a lot of people that feel the closed-bolt UZI is superior to the HK design in several ways, mostly because the Israelis teach the 'hand finds hand' reloading style that only an SMG that has the magazine well in the pistol grip offers -- the HK guns haven't got this feature. I had an MP5K once, and I can tell you that it's not a fast reloader even when you're not trembling because the shooting you're doing is for real.

BTW, the Israelis were the biggest importer of Sionics-suppressed American MAC-10s before President Gerald Ford banned their export (with silencer) to nations abroad. The IMI-made UZI suppressor used to be a direct rip-off copy of the Sionics can. The whole reason there's a conversion kit for UZIs to go from 9mm to .45 ACP is because of the deep admiration the IMI had for the .45 MAC-10. They used suppressed MAC-10s to take out the sentries in watchtowers in the Entebbe raid in Uganda in 1976.

It's just a matter of preference, and hasn't got anything to do with having a distaste for German guns. They did liberate their country with cast-off Nazi 8mm Mausers, you know. They didn't even bother to demil the Nazi eagle and swastika off most of them, either. The Israelis make very good guns on their own, but still choose what suits them best.

[harpseal]

Thank you.

Stay well - stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown