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To: kosta50
re: "Gullible and guilty women" in the OT

Considering that the OT predates the Qu'ran by thousands of misogyinistic years, you might take note of Deborah the Judge and Esther the clever liberator of her people. Miriam, Zepphorah? Rahab the canny harlot was in the line of Christ. How about Ruth (also a pagan, and also in the line of Christ) and her independent mind? Leah and Rachel provided an object lesson of the struggle in a polygamist household, Sarah and Rebecca had thier own hearts and wills, and their personalities were clear in the old texts. They were PEOPLE, not concubines, little girls, objects of a prophet's self-justifying lust, or captive rape victims.

And in the New Testament, Christ ministered early and often to the women. Called one, "daughter of Abraham." Spoke out against exploitation of divorce...

Not exactly, "Talaq, talaq, talaq"--"I divorce you, I divorce you, I divorce you"--which was an innovation under the Koran to leave an unwanted wife helpless and destitute.

I've been doing some looking at Islam for the first time, myself. I see nothing approaching equivalence between the OT and the violence of the Koran. The closest thing to it was God's injuction to the conquering Hebrews to dispose of the pagan Canaanites swiftly and ruthlessly--and the Jews disobeyed. This was only one such directive, and it contained the promise that Israel held the divine deed to the Holy Land.

Perhaps we have the descendents of those pagans now to deal with, ourselves.

83 posted on 10/08/2001 7:43:39 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle
Thank you. Your answer is most appreciated and is very informative. I should have clarified my statement: it refers to Eve. Of course, Adam ate the apple too, but had it not been for Eve's gullability, it wouldn't have happened (and the world would be a "boring" Paradise!).
84 posted on 10/08/2001 6:10:25 PM PDT by kosta50
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