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I figure I'll get one reply in before you start screaming "Jew-Hater," so here goes.

Your history excerpt is very interesting, but so are the figures for the 1918 census:

Muslim Arabs 512,000

Christian Arabs 61,000

Jews 66,000

Those numbers seem a good deal more pertinent to today's world than a potted history lesson re. 1300 years ago.

Further proof why Palestine national ambitions must be recognised (along and in conjunction with Israel's of course) comes from Vladimir Jabotinsky, who I imagine is a poster boy of yours for his militarism. Jabotinsky said of the palestinians:

"They are not a rabble but a nation, perhaps somewhat tattered but still living." I could provide other quotes but I'm leaving for a wedding and don't have time to transcribe them. You no doubt know them anyway.

It's fashionable to dismiss Jabotinsky, of course, as Ben-Gurion (born David Grien) did when he called him "Vladimir Hitler." But Gurion also had some similar thoughts:

"We shall organise...an elite army.....and then I am sure we shall not be prevented from settling in other parts of the country, whether through mutual understanding with our Arab neighbors, or by other means."

Now, remember, I'm a moderate. But if Israel and indeed the world is ever to get any peace, Israel's origins can't be simply denied. There are people living in squalor and another groupo of people living in a constant state of defiant fear.

There can be no either/or solution. It has to be a viable compromise.

Now you can begin calling me a Jew-hater.

The numbers are only "pertinent" as a tool against Israel when it suites the Islamic propagandists. The Ottomans constrained Jewish immigration while all the while its policy on stopping Arab Islamic immigration was nearly non-existent. The same holds true under the British Mandate especially following from the discrimatory Hope Simpson Report and the 1939 British White Paper.

Hence, your number game only points up an important point:

(1) You lied about "Palestinians" claiming THEIR land was taken. No such claim is viable given the fact they themselves profited from the conquerings of ISLAMIC kingdoms including the Ottomans.;

(2) The demographics are entirely irrelevant from another standpoint in that they don't address the locations of Arab settlement as well as the fact the 1918 figure includes the area east of the Jordan.

It just so happens the Jews were deprived of the eastern Jordan area in 1922 and thus undermining the Balfour Declaration, by the creation of the Transjordan by Britain chopping up the National Home by 2/3. Now the Arabs could claim a Jew free area east of the Jordan and could also make contrived and bloated claims West of the Jordan.

Further proof why Palestine national ambitions must be recognised

I could care less about their "ambitions". Their "ambitions" are stated clearly in the PLO Charter. For THAT ambition they should be trusted like the neighborhood thug.

Do you want me to start quoting from your "Palestinian" Arab nazi friends like the Grand Muft Hajj Amin al Husayni the Grand Mufti during the Mandate Period? Should I quote all that vitriole of your pan Arab Islamic fascist friends seeking to destroy Israel and the Jews and drive them to the sea?

I'm a moderate. But if Israel and indeed the world is ever to get any peace, Israel's origins can't be simply denied. There are people living in squalor and another groupo of people living in a constant state of defiant fear.

So a Pallie State will solve these problems? Ever take a look at the neighboring rathole named Syria? Very impoverished and run by thugs. You think the Pallies will do any better? Are you on LSD?

Also what assurance does Israel have that any Palestinian State will not turn into an Afghanistan? A chaotic Islamic cesspool spreading violence over it's borders. Providing cover for Bin Ladin wannabees. A perfect staging area to bring in all kinds of weaponry to fire upon Israel with. Howitzers. Katushya rockets etc. Jihadist warlords will roam free and do as they like in a Palestinian State.

Now, remember, I'm a moderate. But if Israel and indeed the world is ever to get any peace, Israel's origins can't be simply denied. There are people living in squalor and another group of people living in a constant state of defiant fear.

They chose squalor. They prefer it. So do the oil rich Muslim nations that never help them out. How come Kuwait booted out 400,000 Pallies after the Gulf War? Saudi Arabia also bans them as guest workers. The West Bank/Gaza has become more impoverished since the Palestinian guest workers were banned from these two nations.

I'm gonna give you a clue.
800,000 Jews were kicked out of Arab nation after living in them for centuries as second class citizens
This equals or exceed any number of Palestinians refugees from Israel during the 1948 war.
So I really don't care about the Palestinians refugees.

One day you and Arafat/PLO will get it through your thick thick skulls that Israel will not withdraw unilaterally from West Bank and Gaza. There will have to be a peace treaty. The dumb Pallies should have taken Barak's fantastic offer. Barak caved into them.

Israel will run the West Bank and Gaza in a way consistent with it's national security needs. These lands are buffer zones against Arab attack and were won in the 1967 war. I know it really makesanti-Semites go bonkers that Israel defends itself.
TOUGH LUCK!