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Uriel, none of us are anabaptists.

I don't recognize the authority of "elders" who preach the gospel of Christ by calling those who profess Christ "lying whores" using nasty FRmail tricks. Among many other novel evangelization techniques.

I think you should reconsider your association with them but you're a man of sober judgment. I'm confident that you'll recognize your duty sooner or later.

Even within your own denomination, Uriel, you would be mistaken to kowtow to those in obvious error. And we Baptists are far far more independent. I can't quite understand how you fail to grasp this. It makes the offenses committed by the "elders" you mention all the more inexcusable. They would laugh at the notion that any such rule should apply to them. Actually, by your suggested standard, I should respectfully kowtow to Jimmy Carter when he advocates sodomy and abortion as a Baptist. Sorry, it don't wash.

Maybe you've never quite grasped exactly how independent Baptist churches really are. It makes us fractious. But we can never be hijacked by a liberal clergy or committee. A timely observation, I think.

Besides we're all tired of talking about Hebrews 10 anyway. It ultimately became merely a pretext.

I would say that you are not truly fundamentalist in your outlook. That's not necessarily a criticism, merely an observation. There was something underlying, Uriel, that you never did quite grasp, largely because, I suspect, of your own denominational background.

I would enjoy returning to the paedobaptism discussion. It was actually just starting to get interestng when people starting posting about what baptism meant to them and the devotional implications. That was the part I liked best since neither you or I were arguing paedobaptism as free agents.

I, for one, will never tire of Hebrews 10:14, one of the great Scriptural supports for the doctrine of the perseverence and preservation of the saints.

For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. - Hebrews 10:14

Besides we're all tired of talking about Hebrews 10 anyway.

Well, I haven't; used it a few minutes ago. I shall never tire of any of His Words; they are sweeter than honey to my taste and a lamp for my feet. I also do not tire of any of His spiritual Gifts; they are all such blessings.