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To: RightWhale
I've never heard that the Philistines came from the Black Sea area, but rather from the Aegean Sea area. They were one of the Sea Peoples who attacked Egypt a couple of times around 1200 B.C.--Egyptian records call them Peleset, and the Hebrew name is something like Peleshtim, or Pelesheth for their land. There are some indications in the Bible that the Philistines are relative newcomers to Philistia (their area in SW Palestine). I don't think there is any serious question that the name Palestine is derived from Peleset/Pelesheth/Peleshtim. It would be more obvious if the Greeks hadn't jazzed up the name as Philistines.
79 posted on 10/02/2001 7:12:55 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus Blam
Now you made me dust off some books from my library and look up a few references. I will grant that I am no linguist, so what I see might not be worth much.

Philistia or P'lshet is the region, also means the foreigners.
Philistim or P'ilishtim means the Philistine people.
The difference between a P and an F in old Hebrew is a tiny dot, which could easily get lost making an F into a P. But the Septuagint, which predates the Masorete vowel pointings considerably, puts an F [or Ph in Greek] as the first letter, at least in the places I looked.

Another term used for Philistine is Gentile, as in Islands of the Gentiles, which means the same thing = the People, probably foreigners.

The Egyptian term is as you said 'plst', which probably means Sea People.

They did emanate from the Aegean Sea area and came by boat to some degree, but they advanced through Palestine on foot laying waste to city after city, their families following in oxcarts. Even chariots didn't stop them. Originally they were from the area around the Black Sea, although this is probably a guess since they weren't noticed by history until they started tearing up the Middle East. They had iron age technology, which gave them a distinct advantage in the Middle East and would have in Egypt, too except they were trapped on their ships and shot up by Egyptian archers.

English translations may be causing some of the linguistic problems, and I am probably causing the rest.

83 posted on 10/02/2001 9:34:00 PM PDT by RightWhale
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