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Canada could have an answer to U.S. oil woes
Globe and Mail Update ^ | Friday, September 28 | MATHEW INGRAM

Posted on 09/30/2001 5:36:15 PM PDT by aculeus

Why does the United States have to tiptoe so carefully in the Middle East, trying to play one country off against another, careful not to upset certain countries? Why does it even have to get involved in Middle Eastern politics in the first place? One word: Oil. Without the supply of oil that countries such as Kuwait, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran and others produce, the United States would be in deep trouble. And so, the U.S. government repeatedly finds itself drawn into a volatile morass of shifting allegiances.

Is there any long-term solution? Environmental activists have recommended for some time that the United States pour billions into alternative energy such as wind power, biomass and fuel cells - but there is no way these technologies could handle a fraction of the current demand for energy from fossil fuels, let alone the growth projected for the coming decades. But where else could the U.S. come up with the oil to satisfy its needs?

The U.S. government itself mentioned one possible solution in Vice-President Dick Cheney's recent energy report: Alberta's oil sands, a vast ocean of tar-like goo in the northern part of the province. By most estimates, there is more oil in the so-called "tar sands" than there is in all of Saudi Arabia, or about 300 billion barrels that is recoverable using existing technology. That's enough to supply the United States for more than 40 years — plus there's another 1.5 trillion to two trillion barrels on top of that, which would be harder to extract. That's 10 times what Saudi Arabia has.

Alberta's potential was obvious even before Sept. 11, and those attacks have now added even more fuel to the argument. What if Iraq turns out to be involved in planning the attacks? Even worse, what if Saudi-born terrorist Osama bin Laden decides to turn his wrath against the Saudi royal family, whom he despises for allowing U.S. troops to be stationed in the traditional birthplace of Islam? Saudi Arabia has about one quarter of the world's reserves of conventional oil, and last year it supplied the U.S. with 1.5 million barrels a day, or about 17 per cent of U.S. demand. Almost one-quarter of U.S. demand for oil is supplied by countries in the Persian Gulf.

One of the reasons why the oil sands haven't played a larger role on the public policy stage is that until fairly recently, getting oil out of the ground in northern Alberta was time-consuming and expensive. Until the mid-1990s, producing a barrel of oil cost upwards of $15 (U.S.). That didn't leave much room for things like profits when the price of oil was at $20 — and it seemed especially ridiculous given that some OPEC countries can produce a barrel of oil for about $5 or less.

Then Suncor Energy, thanks to prodding by vice-president Dee Parkinson, cut a huge chunk out of its costs starting in 1995 by moving from the balky and expensive bucketwheels it had been using to giant shovels and trucks. Suncor and Syncrude (which copied the move) have cut their costs to $9 a barrel — and that success, combined with the runup in oil prices over the past couple of years, has spurred dozens of imitators to look at oil-sands projects. Conoco, Exxon-Mobil, Shell and other companies both in the United States and elsewhere have done feasibility studies, and more than $20-billion worth of potential oil sands projects are in the planning stages.

There are also dozens of projects aimed at exploring ways of extracting some of the harder-to-reach oil. The current method is not very different from the Clark hot-water process, which was discovered in the 1920s — and that itself was a refinement of the way early explorers boiled the gooey substance in water over the campfire to produce a tar they could patch their canoes with. Newer methods for extracting the oil involve things such as "steam-assisted gravity drainage," which involves injecting steam into the sand and then forcing the oil to drain out for refining.

In the 1930s, the U.S. government and several business leaders (including Henry Ford) reportedly looked into extracting oil from Alberta to help meet the growing demand in the United States. But then oil was discovered in Saudi Arabia, and the seeds of OPEC and the energy dominance of the Middle East were sown — something the United States may want to reconsider in the light of current events. And then maybe Canada could take the place of Saudi Arabia in the American universe.


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To: Vigilanteman
My nephew is a Chemical Engineer employed at the Dakota Coal Gasification plant in Beulah North Dakota. They produce nautral gas from lighnite (soft) coal and are also selling CO2 to Canada for tertiary oil recovery and Ammonia to fertilizer manufacturers.

In the early 80s the development of alternative energy sources was stymied by OPEC. Once they realized that their artificially high oil prices would stimulate alternative energy sources they lowered their price. Wind mills, coal gasification and other technologies were put on the shelf. Let's hope that VP Cheney can develope a comprehensive energy policy. Then we can tell OPEC what to do with their oil.

You know, the Athabaska Tars in Canada are a tremendous source of crude as are the Orinoco Tars of Venezuela. With a concerted industrial program for this hemisphere we could reshape the world, industrialize our neighbors to the south and solve a multitude of problems that confront us.

21 posted on 09/30/2001 7:08:25 PM PDT by Young Werther
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To: CSSAlabama
If we "kick their ass and take their gas," as the slogan goes, I think we'd have to spend the oil profits entirely on human rights work and nation building in the Middle East and Africa.

We aren't IMPERIALISTS anymore ;)

22 posted on 09/30/2001 7:17:06 PM PDT by xm177e2
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To: aculeus
At current levels of use, we have an estimated 1,000 year supply of NATURAL GAS in the Gulf of Mexico ALONE.

Converting a gasoline engine to Liquified Natural Gas is a relatively inexpensive process.

LNG burns more cleanly than gasoline.

Why haven't we converted to LNG?

Start asking questions about that of your congresscritter and any oil company exec you can corner.

23 posted on 09/30/2001 7:17:44 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: aculeus
If it was economic to extract the oil from Canada, the market would do so. We wouldn't need a bunch of loser policy geeks to "decide" that we should get the oil.

Besides, why use up our oil now, I say lets use the arabs, and we'll use ours when they run out.

24 posted on 09/30/2001 7:22:15 PM PDT by Rodney King
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To: Vigilanteman
My nephew is a Chemical Engineer employed at the Dakota Coal Gasification plant in Beulah North Dakota. They produce nautral gas from lighnite (soft) coal and are also selling CO2 to Canada for tertiary oil recovery and Ammonia to fertilizer manufacturers.

In the early 80s the development of alternative energy sources was stymied by OPEC. Once they realized that their artificially high oil prices would stimulate alternative energy sources they lowered their price. Wind mills, coal gasification and other technologies were put on the shelf. Let's hope that VP Cheney can develope a comprehensive energy policy. Then we can tell OPEC what to do with their oil.

You know, the Athabaska Tars in Canada are a tremendous source of crude as are the Orinoco Tars of Venezuela. With a concerted industrial program for this hemisphere we could reshape the world, industrialize our neighbors to the south and solve a multitude of problems that confront us.

25 posted on 09/30/2001 7:30:28 PM PDT by Young Werther
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To: Rodney King
If it was economic to extract the oil from Canada, the market would do so.

The "economics" are based on Islam's need for your money. Right now they need a lot of your money. It is comforting to them that you are in full support of their "economics".

We wouldn't need a bunch of loser policy geeks to "decide" that we should get the oil. Besides, why use up our oil now, I say lets use the arabs, and we'll use ours when they run

The "loser policy geeks" are the ones that in the 1980's decided it was OK to undo the policy of stemming the money being hemorrhaged to Islam in return for "cheap" oil. Big oil concurred. Lefty Econ profs wearing sandals and tie dyed tee shirts concurred. It was a real love fest.

You are in good company. The next time you fill up your tank so you can burn it up in a traffic jam going to work, think about how much you just contributed to the Iranian and Pakistani atomic bomb programs.

26 posted on 09/30/2001 7:37:10 PM PDT by Hamiltonian
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To: xm177e2
Maybe so, but not until we covered the cost of rebuilding the WTC & Penatagon, the USS Cole, the emabassies, a "reasonable" amount of compensation to the families, punitive damages to cover the added costs of security and the disruption of our way of life. Maybe some for the stock losses and unemployment caused as well. Then maybe we could think of a Marshall Plan.
27 posted on 09/30/2001 7:41:31 PM PDT by CSSAlabama
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To: Hamiltonian
Uh, sorry, no. The reason why we buy oil from the middle east is because it is cheaper. Do you really think that Texaco would forgo the opportunity to buy cheaper oil in canada in order to undercut exxon/mobil at the bump and gain bigger market shere if they could?

You can bitch about it all you want, but the reason why we buy oil from the middle east is that it is cheaper. When it is cheaper to buy the oil from canada, either because we can extract it more cheaply, or because the price of M.E. oil has gone up, then we will do so.

28 posted on 09/30/2001 7:42:29 PM PDT by Rodney King
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To: aculeus
and it seemed especially ridiculous given that some OPEC countries can produce a barrel of oil for about $5 or less.

US crude oil consumption is about 20 million barrels a day or 7.3 billion barrels per year. I would estimate that DoD spending to ensure its flow exceeds $10 / barrel or $73 B per year. So if military costs are figured in, Alberta tar sands would seem to be cheaper that Middle Eastern oil.

29 posted on 09/30/2001 7:44:03 PM PDT by Lessismore
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To: aculeus
Plenty of oil in lower 48 plus offshore anyway. Bullsh-t is the main thing stopping it. This "energy runnng out" crapola has got to stop. All P.C. B. S. PHD.
30 posted on 09/30/2001 7:44:15 PM PDT by Waco
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To: Rodney King
Hey Rodney,heard you got picked up on a drug charge in Pomona...but I do agree with your assessment. Plus I like the idea of using up the camel jockey's oil first before we start using our own.
31 posted on 09/30/2001 8:05:37 PM PDT by HEFFERNAN2
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To: Young Werther
There are decades of energy locked up in the coals of North Dakota alone. Have you ever seen the operation at Buelah? I understand it is a cracker-jack job. One of the few long lasting contributions of North Dakota's last Republican in Washington (RINO Mark Andrews) was passing the enabling legislation for that plant during the last energy crisis.

The eco-freaks fought it tooth and nail, one of whom (thankfully) was soundly defeated in her run for governor.

Some of the most rock-ribbed patriots you'll find are in those central North Dakota counties. I think even Pat Buchanan came close to double digit support in some of those areas.

The people there want to make a living off their land. The eco-freaks want to move them off and turn it into a giant buffalo and duck preserve. Some of the nastiest confrontations in the country have taken place in this area.

A good share of the settlers of these counties were Germans evicted by Russians from the Ukraine after they were invited to settle it in the 1820's, made it productive by the 1880's and then were driven off their land.

33 posted on 09/30/2001 8:10:23 PM PDT by Vigilanteman
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To: Vigilanteman
For what it's worth I have heard or read that there is a huge deposit of oil below the one that has and is being pumped in the L.A. Basin especially the Long Beach area. It is common to see oil wells in the backyards of homes in Orange County. Anyone else heard of this field? A large part of Southern and Ca. and the Bakersfield area have alot of oil. I believe the environmental weenies prevent it being pumped.
34 posted on 09/30/2001 8:21:19 PM PDT by willyone
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To: CSSAlabama
Of course.
35 posted on 09/30/2001 8:24:16 PM PDT by xm177e2
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To: Dick Bachert
Obviously those supplies haven't been tapped yet for some reason, or the price of natural gas wouldn't have gone sky high last winter.
36 posted on 09/30/2001 8:27:47 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Dick Bachert
Here is another simple idea that would help. Go to a four day work week. Ten hour days with one day a week with no commuter traffic. Within a month the price of crude would drop five bucks and gasoline twenty cents. And with all the fun being made of alternative generators even with the half assed approach that was used ten percent of Ca's. power came from those sources.
37 posted on 09/30/2001 8:28:28 PM PDT by willyone
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To: Hamiltonian
I would like to add to your comments that the same thing is done by all those who hire illegal aliens because they work cheap. They may work cheap but the total cost of them being here is staggering. The ten bucks you save will end up costing you a hundred.
39 posted on 09/30/2001 8:32:19 PM PDT by willyone
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To: MinuteGal
(Canadians Against Pollution , Energy and Rightist Swindlers).

LOL, And you don't have any such folks.........??

40 posted on 09/30/2001 8:32:20 PM PDT by Great Dane
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