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1 posted on 09/30/2001 8:10:34 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
George H.W. Bush, the father of President Bush, works for the bin Laden family business in Saudi Arabia

With his next breath, Larry Klayman will inform us that we need more spies on the ground.


2 posted on 09/30/2001 8:15:19 AM PDT by Nick Danger
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To: liberallarry
Gee, I wonder if these dumb bastards at Judicial Watch are wondering why their contributions are drying-up and almost nonexistent any more?!?
3 posted on 09/30/2001 8:16:58 AM PDT by harpu
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To: liberallarry
Lawrence IB Klayman (IB=idiot breath) is so discredited no one believes anything he says anymore.
4 posted on 09/30/2001 8:17:10 AM PDT by imberedux
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To: liberallarry
It's a shame that Klayman can't differentiate between the Bin Ladin group and Usamaa bin Ladin. The Government of Saudi Arabia can; it works with the former although it is perfectly aware that at least three members of the Bin Ladin family are determined to destroy it and Wahabbi rule in Saudi Arabia. There is a parallel in American history. The Booth family became pariahs as the consequence of the action of one of its members.
6 posted on 09/30/2001 8:21:59 AM PDT by gaspar
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To: liberallarry
Larry Clymer used to get some donations from the conservative side of the fence. I don't think liberals part with their $$ for donations like this. Hell its hard enough for liberal politicians to get them to pry their wallets open for political campaigns. They like the Govt. to take it from them in taxes and then distribute it.

His money has dried up, and folks like Liberallarry aren't going to fill the gap.

Ashland, Missouri

9 posted on 09/30/2001 8:28:07 AM PDT by rface
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To: liberallarry
Did anyone see this in the WSJ? I didn't but could have missed it.
10 posted on 09/30/2001 8:28:33 AM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: liberallarry
NOT WSJ, Larry Klayman and Judicial Witch.
12 posted on 09/30/2001 8:29:19 AM PDT by onyx
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To: liberallarry
The article from which ol larr makes his assertions......

Bin Laden Family Could Profit From a Jump In Defense Spending Due to Ties to U.S. Bank

If the U.S. boosts defense spending in its quest to stop Osama bin Laden's alleged terrorist activities, there may be one unexpected beneficiary: Mr. bin Laden's family.

Among its far-flung business interests, the well-heeled Saudi Arabian clan -- which says it is estranged from Osama -- is an investor in a fund established by Carlyle Group, a well-connected Washington merchant bank specializing in buyouts of defense and aerospace companies.

Through this investment and its ties to Saudi royalty, the bin Laden family has become acquainted with some of the biggest names in the Republican Party. In recent years, former President Bush, ex-Secretary of State James Baker and ex-Secretary of Defense Frank Carlucci have made the pilgrimage to the bin Laden family's headquarters in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Mr. Bush makes speeches on behalf of Carlyle Group and is senior adviser to its Asian Partners fund, while Mr. Baker is its senior counselor. Mr. Carlucci is the group's chairman.

Osama is one of more than 50 children of Mohammed bin Laden, who built the family's $5 billion business, Saudi Binladin Group, largely with construction contracts from the Saudi government. Osama worked briefly in the business and is believed to have inherited as much as $50 million from his father in cash and stock, although he doesn't have access to the shares, a family spokesman says. Because his Saudi citizenship was revoked in 1994, Mr. bin Laden is ineligible to own assets in the kingdom, the spokesman added.

The bin Laden family has long disavowed Osama, and has cooperated fully with several federal investigations into his activities. The family business, headed by Osama's half-brother Bakr, epitomizes the U.S.-Saudi alliance that the suspected terrorist often rails against. After the 1996 truck bombing in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, that killed 19 U.S. servicemen, Saudi Binladin Group built military barracks and airfields for U.S. troops.

But the Federal Bureau of Investigation has issued subpoenas to banks used by the bin Laden family seeking records of family dealings, a person familiar with the matter said. This person said the subpoenas weren't an indication the FBI had found any suspicious behavior by the family. A family spokesman said he had no knowledge of the subpoenas but that the family welcomes them and has nothing to hide.

People familiar with the family's finances say the bin Ladens do much of their banking with National Commercial Bank in Saudi Arabia and with the London branch of Deutsche Bank AG. They also use Citigroup Inc. and ABN Amro, the people said.

"If there were ever any company closely connected to the U.S. and its presence in Saudi Arabia, it's the Saudi Binladin Group," says Charles Freeman, president of the Middle East Policy Council, a Washington nonprofit concern that receives tens of thousands of dollars a year from the bin Laden family. "They're the establishment that Osama's trying to overthrow."

Mr. Freeman, who served as U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War, says he has spoken to two of Osama's brothers since hijacked airplanes rammed the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on Sept. 11. They told him, he says, that the FBI has been "remarkably sensitive, tactful and protective" of the family during the current crisis, recognizing its longstanding friendship with the U.S.

A Carlyle executive said the bin Laden family committed $2 million through a London investment arm in 1995 in Carlyle Partners II Fund, which raised $1.3 billion overall. The fund has purchased several aerospace companies among 29 deals. So far, the family has received $1.3 million back in completed investments and should ultimately realize a 40% annualized rate of return, the Carlyle executive said.

But a foreign financier with ties to the bin Laden family says the family's overall investment with Carlyle is considerably larger. He called the $2 million merely an initial contribution. "It's like plowing a field," this person said. "You seed it once. You plow it, and then you reseed it again."

The Carlyle executive added that he would think twice before accepting any future investments by the bin Ladens. "The situation's changed now," he said. "I don't want to spend my life talking to reporters."

A U.S. inquiry into bin Laden family business dealings could brush against some big names associated with the U.S. government. Former President Bush said through his chief of staff, Jean Becker, that he recalled only one meeting with the bin Laden family, which took place in November 1998. Ms. Becker confirmed that there was a second meeting in January 2000, after being read the ex-president's subsequent thank-you note. "President Bush does not have a relationship with the bin Laden family," says Ms. Becker. "He's met them twice."

Mr. Baker visited the bin Laden family in both 1998 and 1999, according to people close to the family. In the second trip, he traveled on a family plane. Mr. Baker declined comment, as did Mr. Carlucci, a past chairman of Nortel Networks Corp., which has partnered with Saudi Binladin Group on telecommunications ventures.

Former President Carter met with 10 of Osama's brothers early in 2000 on a fund-raising trip for the Carter Center in Atlanta. According to John Hardman, executive director of the center, the brothers told Mr. Carter that Osama was completely removed from the family. After Mr. Carter and his wife followed up with breakfast with Bakr bin Laden in New York in September 2000, the bin Laden family gave $200,000 to the center. "We don't have any reason to think there's a connection" between Osama and the rest of the family, Mr. Hardman says.

During the past several years, the family's close ties to the Saudi royal family prompted executives and staff from closely held New York publisher Forbes Inc. to make two trips to the family headquarters, according to Forbes Chairman Caspar Weinberger, a former U.S. secretary of defense in the Reagan administration. "We would call on them to get their view of the country and what would be of interest to investors."

Mr. Weinberger said no trips to Saudi Arabia were planned. "If we went," he said, "we may or may not call upon them. I don't think the sins of the son should be visited on the father or the brother and the cousins and the aunts."

There is no indication President George W. Bush has met any of the bin Ladens, but he was indirectly linked to one of them two decades ago. His longtime friend James W. Bath, who met Mr. Bush when they were both pilots in the Air National Guard, acted as a Texas business representative for Osama's older brother, Salem bin Laden, from 1976 to 1988, when Salem died in a plane crash. Mr. Bath brought real-estate acquisitions and other deals to Salem bin Laden, an ebullient man who headed the family construction business. Mr. Bath generally received a 5% interest as his fee, and was sometimes listed as a trustee in related corporate documents. Mr. Bath acknowledged that during the same period he invested $50,000 in two funds controlled by Mr. Bush but said that stake was unrelated to his dealings with Mr. bin Laden.

Among the properties that Salem bin Laden bought on Mr. Bath's recommendation was the Houston Gulf Airport, a lightly used airfield in League City, Texas, 25 miles east of Houston. But Mr. bin Laden's hope that it would develop a major overflow airport for Houston never materialized, in part due to concern over wetlands. Ever since his death, his estate has sought to sell the airfield -- without success. Today, it is still on the market.

Write to Daniel Golden at dan.golden@wsj.com1, James Bandler at james.bandler@wsj.com2 and Marcus Walker at marcus.walker@wsj.com3

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13 posted on 09/30/2001 8:32:12 AM PDT by deport
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YAAAWWWNNNN!

Osama was disowned and had his Saudi citizenship revoked years ago.

23 posted on 09/30/2001 8:43:23 AM PDT by Jorge
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27 posted on 09/30/2001 8:52:50 AM PDT by liberallarry
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Why even post this crap...he has no crediblilty.
28 posted on 09/30/2001 8:55:09 AM PDT by antivenom
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This is so very sad.

Where do I go to get the money I donated to JW (when they weren't a bunch of unfocused, publicity-seeking, PR-conscious, paranoid opportunists) BACK? Thank God it wasn't that much.

46 posted on 09/30/2001 10:16:58 AM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: liberallarry
Maybe Larry can sue all of the people who bought sandwiches at "Osama's Place" in Fayetteville, NC. It would make as much sense as the above article.
52 posted on 09/30/2001 11:08:28 AM PDT by Harrison Bergeron
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To: liberallarry
Maybe you should talk to old Larry about telling the truth.
65 posted on 09/30/2001 12:44:20 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: liberallarry
Also maybe someone should ask Judicial Watch why they are attacking Bush Sr. Could it be they have certain donors to keep happy?
66 posted on 09/30/2001 12:46:28 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: liberallarry
I think Larry Klaman may need a remedial course in reading comprehension.
94 posted on 09/30/2001 5:01:37 PM PDT by FranklinsTower
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To: liberallarry
Looks like Judicial Watch is running out of funds. They're hoping to get some moola from Ben Ladin.
108 posted on 10/02/2001 9:25:01 PM PDT by Gracey
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