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To: parsifal
They are false prophets, but I don't think he knew that. Therefore, I think it more likely he is in Heaven than Hell.

Whoa!!!!

OK, first off, there is one God and that God was incarnated in the form of the historic Jesus of Nazareth. He said that NO ONE comes to the Father, except by Him. That is pretty clear. Not by Mohammad, Joseph Smith, Bill Clinton, any of the John Pauls, etc. Only Jesus. Period.

Atta may be sincere about his faith, but he is sincerely wrong.

Second, on a point of order...

No one is presently in Hell. Hell is presently empty, and the fist resident of Hell will be the anti-Christ, followed by the False Prophet. Then there is the 1000 years, and then Satan, his angels, and all those who do not appear in the Book of Life takes up residence. Believe it or not, Satan is presently in the Throne Room of God, fulfilling his role as chief accuser.

I know that is contra to what we have been taught, but Hell is not presently in use.

62 posted on 09/29/2001 11:12:51 PM PDT by Orion
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To: Orion
Some things you say are simply matters of faith. Personally, I think Muslims can go to heaven. Hindus too. Even communists.

As far as hell being unoccupied, I assure you it is not. I have been there and come back. It is located underground and there is a boat that takes you around it. It is cool, not hot. Thousands of little robots sing "It's A Small World" over and over and over and over and over. I have not sinned much since my escape.

64 posted on 09/29/2001 11:17:17 PM PDT by parsifal
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To: Orion

No one is presently in Hell. Hell is presently empty, and the fist resident of Hell will be the anti-Christ, followed by the False Prophet. Then there is the 1000 years, and then Satan, his angels, and all those who do not appear in the Book of Life takes up residence. Believe it or not, Satan is presently in the Throne Room of God, fulfilling his role as chief accuser.

Orion, can you explain briefly where you derive that summary from? Not being sarcastic in the least here; merely want to know where to study those points for myself.

One thing that I've been meaning to find out for quite a while and I never seem to get around to finding the answer is this: when a Christian dies we always take comfort in knowing that they're in the presence of the Lord. Yet we also hear that when Jesus returns, "the dead in Christ shall rise." If the saved are already in heaven, who/why are the dead in Christ to rise?

MM



67 posted on 09/29/2001 11:27:15 PM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: Orion
Somebody has his theological facts in order! You are eminently correct, Orion, no one is currently in that "place", or "state" which we refer to as Hell. Another common misconception is that it is somehow, Satan's "kingdom" where he will grant titles and authority to those which served him. Nothing could be further from the case. It isn't his "kingdom", but his prison, and unless I mistake quite, he will serve his eternal sentence, as will all others, angelic and human, in solitary confinement!!!

the infowarrior

74 posted on 09/29/2001 11:50:56 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: Orion
"Hell is presently empty".....

Amen and bingo, I see you are a serious Bible student and I completely agree with your post, smile.....

In His Service

126 posted on 09/30/2001 10:21:23 AM PDT by SJLKickdragon
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