Why America Has Already Lost the War

Arutz Sheva (Israel) | 28 September 2001 | Moshe Feiglin

[Capt.YankeeMike]

speak for your self. I was born and raised here. I am NOT from "somewhere else"

[Magician]

I don't believe that the author is calling for genocide. I'm not at all certain where in the article you find that idea.

However, the author doesn't provide an answer for how to approach and solve the problem of the War on Terrorism, even if it is accepted that religion defines the field of battle of that war.

[agrandis]

Is it any coincidence that most of the cesspools and hell holes of the world are occupied and presided over by Muslims/Arabs?

No, and one can tell a lot about the value of each of the world's religions by taking a look at the nations that practice them and were built on their cultural foundations.

Which, IS, BTW, why some Muslims hate the USA so much. The USA has Christian roots, yet Mohammed promises his followers if they stick with him, Allah will give them dominion over the world. America is the most powerful and freest nation in history (maybe about to lose both power and liberty, but still...) and our very existence is a refutation of the teachings of Mohammed. The fact that Muslims may come to our land and live peacably and free makes us all the more reprehensible to many Muslims. (Actually, it is the same way Christ offends EVERYONE who rejects Him. His love is undefeatable.)

The author of this piece does touch on this important point. He glimpses that, even as an Israeli Jew.

[dennisw]

Thanks for the great map. I have saved it for future use.

[agrandis]

So what have YOU done to stand up to radical, fanatical Christianity?

I AM a radical Christian, but I stand up to fanatical "Christianity" every single day of my life. The "Christian Identity" movement, though, is not a good example, because they are so far out there. Little groups of people that make up fairy tales and build their lives around them are not the dangerous heresies, and do not even represent the apostate church. They are a freaky, ludicrous cult, that the Moonies would laugh at.

[Who is George Salt?]

Anytime I find postings with an identity "theme" I mock and insult the poster so that the blood pressure goes up to about 250 over 150, that way, I make FR really unpleasant for them, and at the same tiem, carve some time off of their lives.

Glad to hear it! You must have been very busy the last two weeks.

[gjenkins]

Hey, no argument from me there, but I think our commitment to freedom is as muddled (or lacking) as our commitment to god. I agree with the author that we are in a metaphysical war.

[bluetoad]

6,000+ Dead Americans and 60 Countries losing people at the World Trade Centers...

Osama Bin Laden and his thugs are about to receive an Enema curticy of the U.S. Military and Friends.

At the end of that day, it will be clearly understood that Terrorist Attacks on the US Mainland(Againt Civilians) is a VERY BAD IDEA...

Every walk of life in America from Farm Boys to Longshoremen are Pissed Off. Even the Life Long Pacifists are rethinking their ways.

Whatever Osama's motives, it sure wasn't to ignite a patriotic rage that hasn't been here seen since Perl Harbor.

P.S. I got granddaddys that fought on both sides of the Civil War. But at the end of the day we're ALL AMERICANS. RED, WHITE, and BLUE.

[Boot To The Head]

I do not think we have lost the war. It is not over until it is over.

My limited understanding of these cultures causes me to believe that historically they buckle under to demonstrations of implacable and ruthless strength.

My hope is that the US will follow through with sufficient strength to do the job.

Our weakness is our compassion. Our strength is our compassion.

The radicals see our compassion as weakness. We tend to see compassion as strength.

We must now communicate in their "language" and send a message of absolute strength.

I regret that for whatever reason or reasons the US did not already make a shocking and powerful nuclear statement to cow these populations into supressed hatred and fear.

The growing wealth and superiority of Western culture will eventually seduce the children of these radicals in the same way that the children of the Japanese kamakazi pilots now are a part of Western civilization. This is the true writing on the wall for the radical elements of these cultures and they are acutely aware of it. This is the primary reason they hate us. Envy will turn to greed and they will inevitable embrace our way of life and abandon their primitive thinking. Given enough time I think this is certain to happen.

But to get there I believe an implacable demonstration of violent strength will be necessary first. Perhaps there is some other way that this situation can be controlled for the short term.

But I doubt it.

[agrandis]

We are free to leave anytime we wish and go back to where ever we came from no questions asked.

'Fraid I'd have plenty of questions to ask! Would I go back to England? Scotland? Ireland? Norway? France? Spain? Where would the Cherokee part of me go? One of my ancestors was given land in Alabama for payment for fighting in the War for Independence against King George. Would I return to Alabama? Some of my ancestors were in TX before it was a state - would I return to Texas?

[bluetoad]

Take your pick of the best of them. But nowhere on earth is there another AMERICA. (Even the American Indina's are from somewhere else, God Bless 'em)

[dennisw]

I would guess that Arutz Sheva edited it. I have a raw copy that I posted and it got pulled. On Monday or Tuesday.

[Capt.YankeeMike]

your post is so full of holes i dont know where to begin. I think I can safely speak for all those on this site who favor stopping our futile (and abusive!) WOD by saying that of course we are not "pro addiction" But suffice to say, that if we had spent 1/2, nay even 1/4 the time, effort and materials on the war on terrorism (war on our REAL enemies) instead of the WOD (war on our own people) then 9-11 would more that likely never occurred. why you are so quick to hate me, a law abiding Christian father, husband and taxpayer and patriot, just because i realize the folly of the WOD, and put me in the same category as the zealot terroists is beyond comprehension. I could more easily put the WOD "warriors" in the category of the terroists (no-knock raids, etc.) just exactly what is it about your personality that infuriates you so much because i may want to ingest a weed 2000 miles away from you? what is it any of your business what I do with MY body? There are two very dangerous types of control freaks in this country. Liberals and fascists. The one good thing that may come from all this will be the diversion of money, time, and effort AWAY from the WOD and toward our true enemy, the islamic terrorists.

[CubicleGuy]

They have destroyed our symbols. [Photo of the twin towers going up in flames]

We must destroy their symbols. [Photos of the El-Aksa mosque on the Temple Mount and the Kaba building in Mecca.]

That was pretty much my original take on the matter, too.

[motexva]

pro-drug addiction

Nice bit of Clintonesque wordplay. Seriously. Do you work in PR? You should, lots of people pay good money for that type of thing.

Of course, your totalitarian ideology is doomed, but the $$$ you get from convincing people that toxic chemicals are good for them, etc. should assuage your fears as the Drug War recedes over the next decade.

[Who is George Salt?]

I'll give you credit - at least you don't deny the existence of Christian Identity; I have run across those who claim it is a figment of the FBI's imagination, or a fed plot to discredit Christians and the militia movement.

However, I do not dismiss them as irrelevent - as you apparently do. Here's an excerpt from the FBI's Project Megiddo report:

"A relatively new tenet gaining popularity among Christian Identity believers justifies the use of violence if it is perpetrated in order to punish violators of God’s law, as found in the Bible and interpreted by Christian Identity ministers and adherents. This includes killing interracial couples, abortionists, prostitutes and homosexuals, burning pornography stores, and robbing banks and perpetrating frauds to undermine the 'usury system.'" (emphasis added)