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To: MarkWar
No, certainly I didn't make this up. I'm not going to do your research for you (see #2, below),

So, Marky makes a claim, and when asked to provide facts, he thinks he's doing research for the one who demanded he back up his claims. Interesting democRATic perspective, Marky.

but there are at least three ways of checking this out for people who are interested and who don't believe me. First of all, read through the recent press articles describing bin Laden and his "organization" Al-Qaida. Secondly, look up histories of organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas. They almost all have "business" offices in London (and else where -- that's how connections from one such "charity" got money to Hillary's campaign).

Do cite your references.

And, in fact, they almost all actually do a great amount of "charity" work like getting school supplies for kids and all. This is how the organizations manage to stay around. They hide behind the "charity" covers. (The actual thinking behind such organization goes way back to an interesting source.

Ah, the magical, top secret compartmentalized source. Sort of like the magic bullet theory.

Again, I'm not going to do your research for you (#2, below),

So, you regard supporting your claims as doing research for another?

but haven't you ever wondered where the english language got the popular -- especially during the Klinton years -- word "spin?" The word "spin" -- used in a media context -- is really an acronym for segmented-polycentric-integrated-network and was developed by activists who wanted a way to influence society without having a direct, central target open to counter-attack.

And your source for this astounding revelation? Let me guess ... Lyndon LaRouche.

When a story or person gets "spin"-treatment now it means fellow travelers in many different media forums, seemingly unrelated, do coordinated stories supporting a particular point of view. This same _segmented_ and _polycentric_ yet _integrated_ _network_ arrangment is used by terrorist organizations for the very reason we see at work today -- how can America strike back when the enemy is scattered all around?)

Hang on a minute, my tin foil hat slipped.

Now that crosses the line. That's something more than strong emotion talking, and it's ugly. From now on, I won't play with you.

Especially since I've challenged you twice on your magical, super-secret sources/references, and you've declined twice to cite them.

54 posted on 09/28/2001 2:54:04 PM PDT by That Poppins Woman
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To: That Poppins Woman
>Ah, the magical, top secret compartmentalized source. Sort of like the magic bullet theory.

LOL! Yeah, that's me, MarkWar, the guy that makes everything up! Yeah, in fact, actually, I wrote all of Steely Dan's songs, too. Yep.

(No, TPW, I didn't decline to cite sources because I made them up, but just because it's just common knowledge that terrorist groups use legitimate charities as fronts and you're such a butt-wipe that it wasn't worth my time to even do a quick search to find the obvious.)

But, it's a new day, I have a little more energy for frivolous searchs, so I'll do a little of your work for you.

Look how easy it is. Without even trying hard you could have found this at CNN:

CHAT PARTICIPANT: How can you track the money of a man who could be banking under several thousand names?

WECHSLER: Good question. It's very difficult, because money is raised in a variety of forms, through charitable donations, through direct solicitations, through legal businesses, and criminal enterprises. Al Qaeda also moves its money through cash smuggling, through regular banking systems, where they make good use of money from off-shore centers and other money-laundering havens, and through the Islamic banking system, and finally, they use the hawala underground banking system.
...
CHAT PARTICIPANT: Could an American be unknowingly contributing funds to the al Qaeda organization?

WECHSLER: Yes. In fact, we suspect a great many donors all over the world have no idea that their money is being diverted to terrorist causes. Many of these people give to charities intending to help widows and orphans, but some of their money ends up going for guns and bombs.
William Wechsler: Following the Osama bin Laden money trail

And, still without trying hard you could have found this of AP:

The computer engineering professor founded the World and Islam Studies Enterprises, a now-defunct think tank that was at the university until the FBI raided it in 1995 and froze its assets.

Al-Arian has never been detained or charged with a crime, but the think tank and a related Palestinian charity were accused by the FBI and Immigration and Naturalization Service of being a fund-raising front for terrorists. Al-Arian had been placed on a two-year leave during the 1995 probe.
Palestinian Professor Put on Leave

It's interesting that you would be so quick to accuse me of flat out lying. That might in itself be something for you to research. No, come to think of it, I'll save you time there, too. Here's one last quote and link for you:

pro·jec·tion [pr jékshn ]
(plural pro·jec·tions)
noun
...
6. PSYCHOLOGY unconscious transfer of inner mental life: the unconscious ascription of a personal thought, feeling, or impulse to somebody else, especially a thought or feeling considered undesirable
"projection"

LOL! I live in Red Nation America, Poppy. I don't lie (well, not about fun stuff). (And, interestingly, I don't often feel the need to accuse others of lying, either.) But don't give up on yourself, Pop. Remember what Zep said: "Yes, there are two paths you can go by/But in the long run there's still time to change the road you're on" (No I didn't make that up, either. It's from "Stairway to Heaven" but I'm not going to put up a link to it. (Oh, what the heck, lurkers may want to rock, too: Stairway To Heaven (Page/Plant) ))

Mark W.

55 posted on 09/29/2001 7:49:30 AM PDT by MarkWar
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