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Whose War Is this
The American Cause | 9-27-01 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 09/27/2001 9:09:59 AM PDT by ex-snook

Whose War Is This? By Patrick J. Buchanan

In his resolve to hunt down and kill the Osama bin Laden terrorists he says committed the Sept. 11 massacres, President Bush has behind him a nation more unified than it has been since Pearl Harbor. But now Bush has been put on notice that this war cannot end with the head of bin Laden and the overthrow of the Taliban.

The shot across Bush's bow came in an "Open Letter" co-signed by 41 foreign-policy scholars, including William Bennett, Jeane Kirkpatrick, the publisher of The Weekly Standard and the editor in chief of The New Republic — essentially, the entire neoconservative establishment.

What must Bush do to retain their support? Target Hezbollah for destruction and retaliate against Syria and Iran if they refuse to cut all ties to Hezbollah and move militarily to overthrow Iraq's Saddam Hussein. Failure to attack Iraq, the neocons warn Bush, "will consti tute an early and perhaps decisive surrender in the war on international terrorism."

"Our purpose in writing is to assure you of our support as you do what must be done to lead the nation to victory in this fight," the letter ends.

Implied is a threat to end support if Bush does not widen the war to include all of Israel's enemies, or if he pursues the U.S.-Arab-Muslim coalition of Secretary of State Colin Powell. Among the signers is Richard Perle, chairman of Bush's own Defense Policy Board, a key advisory group.

This letter represents one side of a brutal policy battle that has erupted in the capital: Is it to be Powell's war or Perle's war?

A critical decision

The final decision Bush makes will be as historically crucial as Truman's decision to let MacArthur advance to the Yalu, and FDR's decision to hold up Eisenhower's armies and let Stalin take Berlin.

How the president will come down is unknown.

In his address to Congress a week ago, Bush declared: "From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime." The president seemed to be offering amnesty, or conditional absolution, to rogue states if they enlist in America's war, now, and expel all terrorist cells.

Even Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is signaling that what matters is not where nations stood, but where they stand. On Sunday, he said on CBS: "What we are looking at today is how are these states going to behave going forward."

And Powell's coalition is coming together. Whether out of fear or opportunism, Libya, Syria, Iran and the Palestinian Authority have all denounced the atrocities of Sept. 11. Pakistan has joined the coalition. Sudan is cooperating.

But calls for a wider war dominate the neoconservative media. The Weekly Standard's opinion editor, David Tell, wants war not only on past sponsors of terror, but also on "any group or government inclined to support or sustain others like them in the future."

Bennett wants Congress to declare war on "militant Islam" and "overwhelming force" used on state sponsors of terror such as Lebanon, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Iran and even China. The Wall Street Journal wants strikes "aimed at terrorist camps in Syria, Sudan, Libya and Algeria, and perhaps even in parts of Egypt."

On their lists

Terrorism expert Steve Emerson puts Lebanon's Bekaa Valley at the top of his list. Benjamin Netanyahu includes in the "Empire of Terror" to be obliterated: Hamas, Hezbollah, "the Palestinian enclave," as well as Iran, Iraq and Taliban Afghanistan. Tom Donnelly and Gary Schmitt of the Project for the New American Century want Iraq invaded now: "Nor need the attack await the deployment of half a million troops. ... The larger challenge will be occupying Iraq after the fighting is over."

As of now, Bush is laser-focused on bin Laden and the Taliban. But when that war is over, the great policy battle will be decided: Do we then dynamite Powell's U.S.-Arab-Muslim coalition by using U.S. power to invade Iraq? Do we then reverse alliances and make Israel's war America's war?

Allies would be at risk

If the United States invades Iraq, bombs Hezbollah and conducts strikes on Syria and Iran, this war will metastasize into a two-continent war from Algeria to Afghanistan, with the United States and Israel alone against a half-dozen Arab and Muslim states. The first casualties would be the moderate Arabs — Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, the Gulf states — who were our Cold War and Gulf War allies.

The war Netanyahu and the neo cons want, with the United States and Israel fighting all of the radical Islamic states, is the war bin Laden wants, the war his murderers hoped to ignite when they sent those airliners into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

If America wishes truly to be isolated, it will follow the neoconservative line. Conservatives should stand squarely with President Bush — and Gen. Powell.


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To: sinkspur
Those people may have been supported by Hussein, which means there'll be more terrorism shortly. And nukes.

You're thesis makes no sense. Why would Saddam hire Islamic fundamentalists (who hate him) to attack the U.S.?

Saddam wants to survive. His goal is to get those sanctions lifted and get things back to the "good ol' days".

Why would he risk an ill-advised attack on America that ensures swift destruction for all culprits, including himself?

Saddam may be evil, but he's no fool.

This whole idea of an Iraqi connection, was dreamed up in Wolfowitz's office and leaked to the press.

The man is absolutely salivating at the prospect of toppling Saddam.

121 posted on 09/27/2001 3:54:56 PM PDT by streetpreacher
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To: streetpreacher
"Saddam may be evil, but he's no fool."

I think that's debatable, actually. This guy has made some serious miscalculations in the past; we cannot be confident that he will behave rationally. That's one of the main reasons he has to be eliminated.

122 posted on 09/27/2001 3:56:04 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: annalex
Buchanan doesn't have a problem with retaliating against countries involved in these attacks. He's made that perfectly clear.
123 posted on 09/27/2001 3:56:17 PM PDT by madrussian
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To: madrussian
The Saudis captured and tried the perpetrators of the US base bombing there. Who did Arafat apprehend?
124 posted on 09/27/2001 3:56:44 PM PDT by annalex
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To: WhiteGuy
It's his big chance to be remembered in history as a great President

Ummm... is that what should drive American Leadership... 'cause that's what we've had for the previous 8 years... and John McCain was soundly defeated last I remember?

125 posted on 09/27/2001 3:57:56 PM PDT by streetpreacher
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To: streetpreacher
"Saddam wants to survive. His goal is to get those sanctions lifted and get things back to the "good ol' days."

You're joking, right? These are the "good ol' days" for Saddam. He has consolidated power, continued building palaces, and ended hostilities with some of his erstwhile competitors in the Middle East.

Things just don't get any better than that when you're a sociopathic dictator.

126 posted on 09/27/2001 3:58:16 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: TKEman
As I mentioned above, I posted a response regarding this to your leader, Arator, and he never got back to me.

Arator is not my leader. I am an "army of one".

Additionally, Pat's a money grabber, taking my money to fund and fuel his crank ideas in a futile election quest.

Well, as they say in the 'Hood, "Don't hate the player, hate the game". Almost every presidental candidate takes Federal money of some sort. The system is in place and the 12.6 million was gonna go somewhere. Bay's kids college fund is as good a place for it as any (that's a joke).

*Who else finds this indenting stupid and the font girly?

127 posted on 09/27/2001 3:58:46 PM PDT by ouroboros
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To: madrussian
Buchanan doesn't have a problem with retaliating against countries involved in these attacks.

Really? Why did he write this article?

I got to run, see you later.

128 posted on 09/27/2001 3:59:43 PM PDT by annalex
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To: cicero's_son
However, if we discover that Iraq and/or Iran was involved in this, then those states will need to be dealt with harshly.

I don't have problem with that. But the neocons have already come up with a list of countries that need to be "taken care of". And it seems the scope of retaliation they have in mind is more like a war against islam, rather than retaliation.

129 posted on 09/27/2001 4:00:22 PM PDT by madrussian
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To: ouroboros
somebody--somebody with better HTML skills than I--has to fix this font.
130 posted on 09/27/2001 4:00:26 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: annalex
Really? Why did he write this article?

I don't see a contradiction.

131 posted on 09/27/2001 4:01:25 PM PDT by madrussian
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To: madrussian
Who knows. What bothers me is that some people are more interested in carrying on with a pointless taxonomy of conservatism than in pursuing the right policies.

Personally, I think that the future is uncertain. This may remain a limited operation against terrorist networks. On the other hand it may also turn into a global war against Islam. We have a limited ability to control that.

I applaud the administration's efforts to contain the conflict so far, and I hope they are successful. However, if "Islam," by which I suppose I mean the great masses of practioners throughout the M.E., decides that it wants war, however, we will not be able to prevent it.

132 posted on 09/27/2001 4:05:33 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: cicero's_son
You're joking, right? These are the "good ol' days" for Saddam. He has consolidated power, continued building palaces, and ended hostilities with some of his erstwhile competitors in the Middle East. Things just don't get any better than that when you're a sociopathic dictator.

When your people are dying of disease due to lack of medicine, believe me, things are not so good. No leader needs that kind of unrest. And before the Gulf War, Saddam didn't need those "competitors". Iraq, along with Israel, was the regional superpower.

BTW, since you noticed, who do you think caused all of these "erstwhile competitors" (putting it mildly, hated enemies would be more accurate) to fall head over heels for Saddam?

133 posted on 09/27/2001 4:05:51 PM PDT by streetpreacher
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To: cicero's_son
Personally, I think that the future is uncertain. This may remain a limited operation against terrorist networks. On the other hand it may also turn into a global war against Islam. We have a limited ability to control that.

I applaud the administration's efforts to contain the conflict so far, and I hope they are successful. However, if "Islam," by which I suppose I mean the great masses of practioners throughout the M.E., decides that it wants war, however, we will not be able to prevent it.

In which case, we had all better say a prayer, because we are talking about World War, and endless terrorist attacks.

134 posted on 09/27/2001 4:09:37 PM PDT by streetpreacher
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To: ex-snook

Re: military service of the gang of 41 war mongers - Now that's a interesting point. Makes you wonder how many of them wore the uniform in a risk situation.

My guess? Zero or close to it. It is a well-known but seldom-commented-on-in-polite-circles fact here in Washington that the loudest voices in favor of war -- any war will do -- have never served their country in uniform. Nor have their offspring.

135 posted on 09/27/2001 4:10:43 PM PDT by Zviadist
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To: streetpreacher
When your people are dying of disease due to lack of medicine, believe me, things are not so good..."

LOL! As if he cares. This is the same guy who gassed "his people" and who continues to brutally repress them through his secret police. In this brief exchange, you and I have already spent more time thinking about the welfare of "his people" than Saddam has in his entire career.

"...who do you think caused all of these "erstwhile competitors" (putting it mildly, hated enemies would be more accurate) to fall head over heels for Saddam?

I'm sure I'll regret this, but I'll bite anyway: who? Just please spare me the "it's the fault of cruel and senseless Imperialism on the part of the US, stuff," ok?

136 posted on 09/27/2001 4:11:34 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: cicero's_son
However, if "Islam," by which I suppose I mean the great masses of practioners throughout the M.E., decides that it wants war, however, we will not be able to prevent it.

What America does may determine how great masses of practitioners react. It may turn into a jihad against the "Great Satan", in which case Osama bin Laden will be vindicated in the eyes of non-radical muslims. It's easy to step into the abyss, and it seems that the neocons and terrorists have the same goal of starting a global war.

137 posted on 09/27/2001 4:12:58 PM PDT by madrussian
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To: streetpreacher
"In which case, we had all better say a prayer..."

Me, I'm saying my prayers regardless. But I'm not too worried about the world war you describe. It would be over in a flash, literally.

I'm more worried about a new Cold War with Islam, a war of attrition that the US and her allies cannot win.

138 posted on 09/27/2001 4:13:56 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: madrussian
Like I said, we have a limited ability to influence how the future unfolds. I didn't say "no ability;" I said "limited ability."

But what happens if, in prosecuting a just and limited operation to destroy al-Quaeda and her sister organizations, we still incite the Islamic masses? Already, many of them are purchasing t-shirts with bin Ladin's face and praising him as a "hero."

139 posted on 09/27/2001 4:17:53 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: madrussian

Do you really want to declare a billion people your enemies? I think this is exactly what the terrorists wanted.

Isn't it infuriating when something is so bloody obvious and the knee-jerk armchair warriors and their vanguard microphone-hogging leaders are unable or unwilling to see it? I think if Osama had passed wind in some remote cave somewhere these neocons would have taken it as a clear sign that a world war was in order. They do have the dialectic down very well, that you have to hand them.

140 posted on 09/27/2001 4:27:21 PM PDT by Zviadist
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