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To: liberallarry
Illbay, and others like him all along the political spectrum, have a childish view of the world: they think its good guys, bad guys

You are 180 degrees wrong. Read some of my comments. It is BECAUSE I don't believe there are cut-and-dry "good guys" and "bad guys" in the Middle East that I have the opinions that I do.

You really must pay more attention. Don't simply rely on your mental template to get you through.

147 posted on 09/27/2001 7:01:25 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Illbay
Ok. I took your advice. I read much of what you wrote.

"I'm really not SAYING anything. I'm simply trying to understand how the Arabs view us."

Not all that hard to do. Many Arabs like American culture but hate our policies, particularly our support of Israel. Others go much farther. They hate our culture too and want Westerners entirely out of what they call their lands.

"So what's the alternative to the genocide that you seem to think is a reasonable course of action?"

A less drastic solution that gets us what we want. That's what the administration is looking for now.

"My ONLY point in this entire debate is that there is NO clear-cut "good guy" or "bad guy" in the Arab-Israeli conflict."

I missed that on first reading. Sorry.

"Israel has a right to exist--this has already been determined."

Not in the minds of much of the Arab world. I hope you won't try to dispute this.

"But Israel also doesn't mind who it crushes in asserting that right."

Israel does what it feels is necessary to survive. Your judgement about that indicates your bias as mine does mine.

"Finally, I am tired of being told by the Israel "rah-rah" crowd that we, the U.S., has to support them no matter what. Israel is NOT a friend to the U.S. except as the we are useful to them. We have to be pragmatic and understand that."

I think our goverment, as well as the government of Israel, understands that quite well.

"... this socialist pesthole called the state of Israel?"

Hardly a neutral statement. Not even decent.

"I am going in a TOTALLY different direction, here. I am ready to allow Israel and the Palestinians to work this thing out all by their lonesomes, with NO U.S. aid or interference."

You don't mention aid to the Palestinians from other countries. Since your a clever fellow I don't believe you failed to notice.

165 posted on 09/27/2001 8:17:28 PM PDT by liberallarry
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