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To: woollyone
Nobody has yet proven an identifiable transition species, so I still await your response for this scientific (obesrvable, testable, repeatable) proof.

Are you playing "That's not it?" I linked you the evidence for dinos-to-birds. I gave you 200+ vertebrate transitionals. I gave you examples in-line from the fish-amphibians sequence. And, without having laid a glove on any of that, you sit back and say "Nobody has yet proven . . ."

Such unimpressive performances are why I still say the main evidence against evolution seems to be that nobody can make a creationist see the evidence for it.

This is a mere transparent mis-direct on your part in an attempt to not have to answer the "evolutionary" process that needed to happen in order for the situaton to even exist.

No, you've claimed the existing situation cannot have evolved. But a detailed examination of the scenario makes it clear there are adequate pathways from completely non-symbiotic lifestyles into the present situation. Your claim of impossibility was based upon misrepresenting what's happening out there. That's false witness, Brother!

So please, in your pomous wisdom, explain the behavioral processes and the reproductive requirements (despite insurmountable probability) that are to have been required for the "fittest" to behave like the most unfit and to have "evolved" and survived today.

Gave it already. You are bludgeoning me with your inability to get things.

The shrimp just have to be hungry enough to experiment with nipping bits of bacteria, small animal pests, and necrotic tissue from fish. And the fish have to like it. The shrimp don't have to start out by swimming into the fish's mouth. They probably would start well away from the mouth. Over time, the behaviors can get more elaborate as trust builds.

Why don't the fish cheat and eat the shrimp? Those that do lose the advantage of the symbiotic relationship. If there's insufficient advantage to either party in the relationship, you can expect it to disappear over time.

195 posted on 09/27/2001 2:20:09 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
"false witness"? LOL That's funny !

If your circular reasoning has convinced you that you evolved from lower life forms, then next time I go to the zoo and visit the primate exhibit, I'll give all of your relatives your regards.

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them. For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen." Romans 1:18-25

...there's a verse for you to meditate upon "brother".

baa

209 posted on 09/27/2001 2:37:07 PM PDT by woollyone
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