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Leaked PBS Memo Reveals Improper Political Agenda
Discovery Institute via US Newswire ^ | 09/27/2001 | Discovery Institute

Posted on 09/27/2001 7:43:35 AM PDT by Nora

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To: VadeRetro
"Computers simulate evolution all the time."

Computers can simulate Evolutionary Theory only because Intelligent software Designers create and modify code to do so.

On the other hand, computers can demonstrate just how flawed Evolutionary Theory is in practice simply by downloading the same file over the Internet thousands upon thousands of times.

Now scan those millions of copies of the downloaded program and run all of the versions whose code was "mutated" by the noisy download process.

And when one of those programs contains added functionality that was NOT written by the original software authors, call me because a miracle just happened. In reality, the mutated downloads won't function as well as the clean downloads no matter how many mutations and permutations you go through.

But that's just DNA coding reality. How can it compete with the religion of Evolution?!

241 posted on 09/27/2001 3:34:13 PM PDT by Southack
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To: Southack
It is not necessary to be a person of faith (of any kind) to refute evolution as a "fact" or even as a "predominant theory" as it is being forced upon us now.

Evolutionists who fear this resort- speed depending upon their confidence level - to mocking and insulting those opposing them. The interesting thing to notice is how quickly Christianity becomes the target.

Only a sincere desire to take back education from the Taliban(?) creationists, so that kids can grow up able to think rationally. Horrible thought, huh?

You should be careful with you references. Name a christian alive today who advocates mass murder. You should apologize for that irresponsible statement. However, if it were up to me, I'd take the gov't out of the education business altogether, and let the free market run the schools. Better, cheaper, and free from coersion too.

This remark I would agree with. Let the market decide, and your evolutionist "belief system" would have to compete on it's merits rather than the power of the state. In a free market, we would see who is forcing what on whom.

242 posted on 09/27/2001 3:49:20 PM PDT by sayfer bullets
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To: Southack
I noticed that you STILL haven't explained to me how Evolutionary Theory is the "only" theory in your little world.

If you scroll back, what I said was that evolution was the only theory which explains the data [regarding proliferation of species]. I'm dimly -- oh so dimly -- aware that there are other theories around, but none which do the job of evolution, that is, explaining the fossil data, DNA data, and the proliferation of species in the world. The only competing "theories" propounded in these threads are (1) Genesis; and (2) flying saucer Johnny Appleseeds, a/k/a Intelligent Design. Neither of those is a scientific theory. If you have one, bring it on.

243 posted on 09/27/2001 3:49:42 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: RadioAstronomer
Well, let's see...
About 5,000,000 fossils have been unearthed and this thread has suggested 200 examples of transitionary "evidence". That's .00004% of all the fossils ever found demonstrate the "evidence"? I don't think so. It's easier to see that 99.99996% of the fossils recovered testify to what is readily observable; that species seem to suddenly exist and then suddenly cease to exist.

baa

244 posted on 09/27/2001 4:07:04 PM PDT by woollyone
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To: woollyone
Well, let's see... About 5,000,000 fossils have been unearthed and this thread has suggested 200 examples of transitionary "evidence". That's .00004% of all the fossils ever found demonstrate the "evidence"? I don't think so. It's easier to see that 99.99996% of the fossils recovered testify to what is readily observable; that species seem to suddenly exist and then suddenly cease to exist.

You forgot to mention that evolution requires the bulk of all fossils to be intermediates, and that Darwinists are deluding themselves (there are other explainations) in the cases of the 200.

245 posted on 09/27/2001 4:23:58 PM PDT by medved
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To: sayfer bullets
"You should be careful with you references. Name a christian alive today who advocates mass murder. You should apologize for that irresponsible statement."

If you want an apology, I suggest you ask the person who made the statement in question. It wasn't me.

246 posted on 09/27/2001 4:51:10 PM PDT by Southack
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To: Southack
Buh bye.

Evolution is silent on life's origins. But you knew that.

247 posted on 09/27/2001 4:51:53 PM PDT by dbbeebs
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To: PatrickHenry
"If you scroll back, what I said was that evolution was the only theory which explains the data [regarding proliferation of species]. I'm dimly -- oh so dimly -- aware that there are other theories around, but none which do the job of evolution, that is, explaining the fossil data, DNA data, and the proliferation of species in the world."

You must be kidding. Evolutionary Theory doesn't even explain the very first form of life, much less the entire fossil record. Other theories such as Complexity Theory and Intelligent Design explain the entire fossil record rather well, however, and both of those theories are backed by other, additional evidence such as the ability for Intelligent Designers to replicate and modify intelligent software, machines, et al.

You claimed that there was only one theory, that of Evolution (see above). You were woefully wrong. Come back to me after you've read Illy Prigogine and other recent Nobel Prize winners.

248 posted on 09/27/2001 4:55:33 PM PDT by Southack
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To: Northman
Interesting comments Nora. I trust you will have the courage to back up your sarcasm in this public forum? I ask you , what proof of evolution do you speak of? I'm willing to debate you here amongst all on this thread. What scientific facts? Lets keep it intelligent, no insults, and please respond timely.
249 posted on 09/27/2001 4:56:31 PM PDT by marcde
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To: Southack
...there is NO EVIDENCE of an inanimate object evolving into an animated life form.

Well, there is. Assuming that Earth was once lifeless, and it now has life on it, somehow life emerged.
Or is this too complex for you to understand? Our scientists are working on the "how".

Creationists would have me believe that "Our Invisible Buddy who Lives in the Sky" flew down to an empty earth
6000 years ago and breathed life into dust. Then "OurInvisibleBuddy" planted all those fossils to confuse us.

250 posted on 09/27/2001 4:57:41 PM PDT by dbbeebs
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To: dbbeebs
"Evolution is silent on life's origins. But you knew that."

That's patently incorrectly and woefully uninformed. In his book On Origin of Species, Charles Darwin says that God created the first form of life, and that life then evolved from that point.

That's clearly not being "silent" on the origin of life. Too bad you weren't aware of that fact...

251 posted on 09/27/2001 4:57:41 PM PDT by Southack
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To: Northman
I apologize, my comments are directed at norhtman.
252 posted on 09/27/2001 4:58:20 PM PDT by marcde
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To: Southack, gore3000
Whatever.
253 posted on 09/27/2001 5:00:17 PM PDT by dbbeebs
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To: dbbeebs
"Well, there is. Assuming that Earth was once lifeless, and it now has life on it, somehow life emerged."

That's not proof that life EVOLVED from inanimate matter. Sure, somehow life is on this planet, but whether it emerged, evolved, or was created here by an Intelligent Designer has not been proven.

To claim that the mere presence of life serves as proof of Evolution is to throw out the entire Scientific Principle in favor of pseudo-scientific-religious dogma.

254 posted on 09/27/2001 5:01:12 PM PDT by Southack
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To: dbbeebs
"Whatever."

As I said, you would be unable to respond to my challenge above and that would lead you to abandon this thread for less-educated and weaker debates.

Buh Bye.

255 posted on 09/27/2001 5:03:37 PM PDT by Southack
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To: dbbeebs
Oh, just so that you don't claim further ignorance, the challenge to you to back up your wild-eyed claim was placed to you in black and white in post #213 above.

Good luck fleeing from that challenge, as you are not up to the task...

256 posted on 09/27/2001 5:09:08 PM PDT by Southack
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To: Southack
Good luck fleeing from that challenge, as you are not up to the task...

I made a mistake in #213. Now do you ask "OurInvisibleBuddy" to give you a gold star?

257 posted on 09/27/2001 5:36:32 PM PDT by dbbeebs
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To: Southack
Of course my statement above is true.

You're right. Life did "spring" from non-life. You've saying that to be valid,
the ToE must address that. I'm saying that's wrong. But you knew that.

258 posted on 09/27/2001 5:39:45 PM PDT by dbbeebs
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To: PatrickHenry
I'd take the gov't out of the education business altogether, and let the free market run the schools. Better, cheaper, and free from coersion too.

That is the real solution!

259 posted on 09/27/2001 5:41:02 PM PDT by Rodney King
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To: dbbeebs
"I made a mistake in #213."

Yes, you did make a mistake. Not only were you wrong on that point but you were wrong in every instance of your support of the outdated Theory of Evolution.

From a scientific perspective, it is an as yet unsupported theory, yet other theories have some levels of support, much of it replicable in the laboratory. You went over the line in your support of the least supportable of theories. That's not what I'd call an educated move...

260 posted on 09/27/2001 5:42:40 PM PDT by Southack
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