[nopardons]

What ARE you willing to do in a time of war ? If you are told that there has to be a curfew, would you stay outside anyway ? What about blackouts, as during WW2 ? Should it be necessary to have wardens, capatains, and block watches, would you call them " brown shirts " or Nazis ?

No one knows just what exactly the new cabinet post of Homeland Security means , nor what it will do. We DO know that if the CIA and our intelligence capabilities hadn't been strangled for so many years, this attack might have somehow been averted . Yes, spying is a " dirty " business, but being murdered by terrorists curtails freedom more than any government does.

Oh, and this is NOT a time when Franklin's little phrase is applicable.

[diotima]

As usual, an incoherent series of statments from you that bears little relation to any statement I made.

What ARE you willing to do in a time of war ? If you are told that there has to be a curfew, would you stay outside anyway ? What about blackouts, as during WW2 ? Should it be necessary to have wardens, capatains, and block watches, would you call them " brown shirts " or Nazis ?

I'd have to know what the reasons are for these things. If we started having curfews, blackouts tomorrow I would be a little curious. Is there any freedom YOU wouldn't be willing to voluntarily throw out the window, no questions asked, under the pretext of "war"?

We DO know that if the CIA and our intelligence capabilities hadn't been strangled for so many years, this attack might have somehow been averted .

The CIA, is not a DOMESTIC agency, so much for your Homeland Security claim. These murderers should not have EVEN been IN the country in the first place if we took our borders seriously, all their Visas had expired. If we didn't have a kindergarten level of airport security, these men wouldn't have even made it on the airplane.

No one knows just what exactly the new cabinet post of Homeland Security means , nor what it will do. We DO know that if the CIA and our intelligence capabilities hadn't been strangled for so many years, this attack might have somehow been averted . Yes, spying is a " dirty " business, but being murdered by terrorists curtails freedom more than any government does.

This is irrelevent to the statements I made. I have no problem with the CIA spying. Where are you getting this?

Oh, and this is NOT a time when Franklin's little phrase is applicable.

Oh, and your judgement is probably best applied to a discussion of Ms. America pagent evening dresses.