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Hackers face life imprisonment under 'Anti-Terrorism' Act
Security Focus ^ | Sep 23 2001 | Kevin Poulsen

Posted on 09/24/2001 3:07:06 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

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To: sten
Oh really?

I DIDN'T "run" anything - the virus just destroyed my compuer, my files, and my client's job.

And 40 million/80 million/120 million OTHER projects, estimates, payroll figures, checkbooks, loans, small business families, and millions of other jobs, businesses, and activites.

Now - given that simple an attack by a terrorist on the "real economy" we depend on - NOT just on two buildings in one city in one state, what do you recommend doing?

81 posted on 09/24/2001 11:14:11 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
So teenage script kiddies will now get more time than child molesters? Sounds like the terrorists fogged DC with LSD.
83 posted on 09/24/2001 11:27:32 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: clee1
Small correction: thats ex post facto laws and I'm sure the USSC would strike down that provision as soon as someone challenged it.

Does that bill contain a severability clause? Congress had better put one in. If SCOTUS finds a law's provision unconstitutional, it tends to slam dunk the entire statute. If that happened with this, 1000 jailed true terrorists could easily get back out on the street just like that.

84 posted on 09/24/2001 11:33:39 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: independentmind
"Take a look at this one."

I'm way past being surprised now. Most of the warnings were given long ago with the usual "KooK" retorts, and this thread is no different. Look at the cast of clowns supporting this stuff.

85 posted on 09/24/2001 11:46:05 PM PDT by rdavis84
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
As you all laugh, I can tell there aren't many sysadmins amoung you. I own a hosting company and one hack alone cost over $50K in refunds, downtime and repair fees. We have a 99.9% uptime guarantee and refund customers if they are down for more than 30 minutes a month.

This type of damage almost put us out of business and killed our American Dream. We work 18-20 hours per day 7 days a week, working to keep our customers safe from people who have too much time on their hand and try to hurt other people just for the fun of it.

In this last month we recieved over 35 orders from foreign countries, using stolen american credit cards, stolen how, by hackers.

It's not funny. This last Nimda Virus, took out Phone Companies, Insurance Companies, Large Corporations that provide vital services for this nation. This poses a national threat a threat the could cripple the entire country.

86 posted on 09/24/2001 11:46:23 PM PDT by genxer
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To: SubSailor
Shouldn't he have stayed out of the house?

Under this definition, typing a URL into your browser that belongs to somebody who doesn't want you looking at their website (a government agency's, for instance) could be defined as hacking.

87 posted on 09/25/2001 5:26:47 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: genxer
As you all laugh, I can tell there aren't many sysadmins amoung you.

Nobody is laughing, but if you think any law the technological idiots in Washington could write is going to solve the problem you will be sadly disappointed. The cure will be worse than the disease.

You solve technlogical problems with better technology, not laws.

88 posted on 09/25/2001 5:37:13 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
If only Bill Gates prescribed to this theroy of better technology. NT/W2K has more security holes in it than swiss cheese.
89 posted on 09/25/2001 4:31:39 PM PDT by genxer
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The latest endangered species: The Hacker

Save The Hacker cries were heard as the Administration proposed it's anti-terrorism bill. One well-known ACLU activist was heard telling a crowd of on-lookers "I don't care if a thousand terrorists get through to accomplish their missions as long as we can save one Hacker."

Yeah, it's a Catch-22 situation because we don't trust our politicians or future leftist administrations with these powers and we won't admit to ourselves that the terrorists are homicidal maniacs that are out to nuke-bio-chem us to oblivion so they can go to heaven to get laid.

We're all nuts. How did we ever get to this point? Anybody got any ideas on how to catch terrorists during their planning stages?

90 posted on 09/25/2001 9:34:34 PM PDT by Enough is ENOUGH
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To: Enough is ENOUGH
We're all nuts. How did we ever get to this point? Anybody got any ideas on how to catch terrorists during their planning stages?

Sure. Wire everybody for sound and tape-record everything they say. Anyone you disables their recording device will be executed immediately.

Also, anybody who uses encryption shall be executed immediately. After all, the only reason you wouldn't want the government to be able to decypher your communications is because you have something to hide.

91 posted on 09/26/2001 5:45:15 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
the virus just destroyed my compuer, my files, and my client's job.

This is what happens when your business rely's on inferior products from MicroShaft. Does the statement "Penny wise - Pound foolish" ring a bell?. Hmmmm.

---max

92 posted on 09/26/2001 6:41:28 AM PDT by max61
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To: BigOrra
prohibiting the creation of ipso facto laws.

LOL

"Ex post facto" maybe?

Seems like the First Rapist demolished that concept when his first act as president was a huge tax applied retroactively.

And idiot America slept right through it...

93 posted on 09/26/2001 6:47:26 AM PDT by Publius6961
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To: SubSailor
A better analogy would be he knocks on the door, and the door swings open because it wasn't latched. The guy doesn't enter, but rather calls the owner at work and tells him the door is wide open. Did he break in?
94 posted on 09/26/2001 7:10:15 AM PDT by Critter
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To: Critter
That's NOT hacking, nor is accidently typing a government website ...

Like all CRIMINAL acts, the opportunity, the action, and the result are a crime (or are NOT a crime) based on the circumstances and intended result of what the person accually does.

If the door is open, I call and warn the homeowner from my cell phone - no crime. Of course not. If I enter HIS house to make the call, with no intent to rob, AND no robbery of his stuff happens, no crime. Even though I entered his house without his permission.

If his house were on fire, and I broke his door down to put the fire out, no intent of crime and no robbery of his stuff happened. (Even though I did damge his property and break in.) No crime.

Hacking is deliberate, serious damage in another person's computer system and files....it ISN'T accidental, nor is it benign. Regardless of what protection I put in my computer, the presense or absence of that protection (door lock) doesn't change the intent and the damage of the criminal.

Now, the real problem occurs. If I were a conservative Christian under Reno's Justice Dept, I'd be arrested for trespassing (because I entered his house); but if I were a liberal abortion rights group I'd be awarded a medal under Hillary's national health miscare system.

UNDER THE CLINTONS, the political power and money of the person were the critria, not the action. And THAT potential of future (democratic) administrations IS a valid concern.

95 posted on 09/26/2001 11:17:09 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
This sort of extremism is EXACTLY why many people are turned off by the Republican party. Many people think bashing the living sh*t out of someone for such an offense is totalitarianism at its worst. Punish the little creeps, but "life"? Perhaps that is why a rapist gets on everage 3-7 years, but someone caught with 2 ounces of pot can be considered so horrible as to need 10 minimum. It seems overreating to crime is the RNCs MO. Of course, crimes committed by government officials are rarely prosecuted.
96 posted on 09/26/2001 11:26:56 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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