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Hackers face life imprisonment under 'Anti-Terrorism' Act
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| Sep 23 2001
| Kevin Poulsen
Posted on 09/24/2001 3:07:06 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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Comment #61 Removed by Moderator
To: Ol' Sparky
I don't how a conservative could oppose the most severe punishment for hackers that spread viruses. The punishment should be measured by sense of justice, common good and mercy and not to be the most severe as possible. You confuse conservatism with the cruelty.
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posted on
09/24/2001 5:41:06 PM PDT
by
A. Pole
To: Dog Gone
"As far as I'm concerned, hackers, and creators of computer viruses, ought to be hung. Even that's too lenient."
Agreed.
Let's see. If I walked into a government office building and started defacing property, destroying furniture, throwing computers out the windows, I'd be criminally charged. But some folks around here act like hackers, who actually can destroy a lot more than I could have, should be treated like little pranksters.
I'M SO GLAD THE GROWN-UPS ARE IN CHARGE AGAIN!
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posted on
09/24/2001 5:48:12 PM PDT
by
joathome
To: Servant of the Nine
guy across the street comes over to borrow your weedwhacker while you're not home weedwhacker? Are you crazy? This can a very dangerous tool. Life sentence without parole is a too mild punishment.
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posted on
09/24/2001 6:05:52 PM PDT
by
A. Pole
To: lightstream
Polish your chains, here comes the master. Freedom dies and slavery is what they manipulate for us. Once they charge you for anything, your life becomes hell. Innocence is not an issue. Ironic as it seems this war on terrorism will be as successful as the war on drugs. That war brought our prision population up to 2.2 Million inmates from 300,000 and we have more drugs than ever. But if you have even more prisoners you can accomplish better things that Soviet Union did under Stalin. Think only about all the canals the built, how they colonized the North, defeated Hitler and worked all those mines. Man, this is the example to emulate. Not to be some bleeding heart wimps.
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posted on
09/24/2001 6:13:08 PM PDT
by
A. Pole
To: E. Pluribus Unum
"doesn't that scare you"--actually, yes, it does. We are right now witnessing in front of our eyes all the direst predictions of a klintoon martial law scenario being
promoted by the majority of the public, including the bulk of the R's, and of the large amount of the so called governmental "leaders". It stinks, but it will go through in this reaction to a calamity that for all practical purposes can be laid squarely at government and big businesses feet, if you follow the cause and effect food chain back far enough. Their global free trade "business" and "law" policies lead substantially to the vulnerabilities we have just "enjoyed", and against which we had the constantly ridiculed warnings of a small handful of people. Now we have the same "experts" who will "come up with the solutions", the "response to terrorism". Uh huh, yep, I am real thrilled at this prospect, and doubly thrilled by the numbers of people who will march right off the cliff, not with them, but at their "orders". Not.
Hate to say it, but this is turning into the conservative equivalent of the columbine massacre making the liberals demand more "gun laws".
government=(create a) problem, reaction, solution, in most cases.
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posted on
09/24/2001 6:32:40 PM PDT
by
zog
To: Uriel1975, Storm Orphan, Alan Chapman
Well, well, well....
I'm shocked, I say. Shocked.
To: E. Pluribus Unum
and assaults designed to change the purpose of government." Hmmm...come to think of it, under this definition, this proposal itself qualifies as a terrorist act.
So, the Attorney General may have to prosecute himself.
Don't get me wrong; I agree with him on a lot of stuff. But on this, he's all wet.
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posted on
09/24/2001 7:13:07 PM PDT
by
B Knotts
To: LSJohn, rdavis84
Take a look at this one.
To: A. Pole
The punishment should be measured by sense of justice, common good and mercy and not to be the most severe as possible. Actually the punishment should be determined by:
1) the intent of the hacker
2) the harm caused by the hacker
3) the nature of what was hacked--(e.g. consumer product vs. national security product)
To: E. Pluribus Unum
Question : Who wrote this Legislation? DOJ with input their attorneys? Ashcroft himself? ex-judges? How do these things take shape?
To say a teenaged hacker trying to impress his girlfriend is a terrorist is a bit of a stretch. Yes, he should have been punished, and punished severely. But life in prison?
Looks like the feds think zero-tolerance is the way to go.
Just damn. I love my country, I support my president, but that does not mean I will roll over and play dead when it comes this.
To: DAnconia55, OWK
And now we redefine hacking to be "terrorism."
Wonder how long before gun ownership is terrorism?
OWK - *ping*
To: E. Pluribus Unum
If the most severe penalty for cyber-terrorism we can get is life imprisonment, I'll settle for it despite how I really feel....
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posted on
09/24/2001 7:44:44 PM PDT
by
Bobsat
To: E. Pluribus Unum
As a long time IT professional, let me tell you that hacking deserves a LONG jail sentence.(I don't support life w/o parole, though). Even the most innocent of intrusions cost billions a year to businesses, and any info stolen could be as dangerous to the general public as an opressive fed gov't can be.
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posted on
09/24/2001 7:50:50 PM PDT
by
clee1
To: BigOrra
Small correction: thats ex post facto laws and I'm sure the USSC would strike down that provision as soon as someone challenged it.
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posted on
09/24/2001 7:54:15 PM PDT
by
clee1
To: independentmind
Lots of scary stuff. Most of it predicted by the tinfoil brigade, who are
still being laughed at for pointing out that the right crisis could cause a majority of the public to support almost precisely this.
Any competent fedgov geek can make it appear as though almost anything came from your computer, even to timing it when only you were at home.
Ya think the average jury's going to buy that the defendant is the victim of a vast government conspiracy?
If this passes in its present form I just might go off-line permanently -- but then they could probably "prove" to most juries that I did it on the library computer.
$#!t !
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posted on
09/24/2001 8:49:43 PM PDT
by
LSJohn
To: E. Pluribus Unum
On the heels of the OKC bombing, Clinton tried to push through some anti-terrorist legislation that would have given the executive branch power the declare any group it chose to be a terrorist organizations and would have allowed the imprisonment and seizure of the assets of anyone providing any kind of aid to said terrorists.
A broadly worded power like this in the hands of someone like BIll Clinton would have been scary. Churches, political enemies of Bill and even FreeRepublic and its membership could easily have been targets.
Fortunately for us, congress was too sensible to be stampeded into supporting such dictatorial power in the executive.
It gives me pause how similar the current anti-terrorism act resembles what Clinton wanted but couldn't get. With the protracted war on terrorism that GWB pushes, will it still be in place when Hillary is annointed as queen by the media in seven years?
To: clee1
Apologies to my slip-up in wording. It is ex post fact, just don't condemn me for it ipso facto.
78
posted on
09/24/2001 9:14:54 PM PDT
by
BigOrra
To: UnChained
Whoops! meant to say "...that GWB promises..."
To: clee1
Oops, again.
Apologies to my slip-up in wording. It is ex post facto, just don't condemn me for it ipso facto.
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posted on
09/24/2001 9:16:59 PM PDT
by
BigOrra
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